soc.veterans

"Pisano" wrote in message
news:er7mt31cehet7ga4c3dsppr310177egsgc@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:14:51 GMT, "Scout"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Henry" <9-11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message
>>news:frcilj$h0f$1@ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>>> Scout wrote:
>>>> "Henry" <9-11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> That's exactly what I've been posting. Tell us what
>>>>> part of this article you disagree with, and why.
>>>
>>>> "Steel is very fire-resistant material"
>>>
>>>> Steel is NOT a very fire-resistant material,
>>>
>>> Reference please. Conspiracy nonsense is cheap, and in your
>>> case, also dead wrong. As always, here's a qualified reference.
>>>
>>> http://www.steel.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Gulf_Coast_Steel_Initiative1&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=13081
>>>
>>> "Cold formed steel has been widely used in commercial interior
>>> and curtain wall applications, due in part to most building codes?
>>> requirement of the use of fire-resistance materials. Thus, the
>>> construction industry can draw strong inferences from its
>>> widespread commercial use when considering fire implications in
>>> residential steel applications."
>>
>>"Albi DriClad - Basalt mineral fireproofing board. Semi-rigid boards for
>>interior structural steel. "
>>
>>http://www.albi.com/
>>
>>"Our Spray-Applied Fire Resistive Material (SFRM) is a portland cement
>>based
>>(slag and rock wool) material designed to provide fire resistive ratings
>>for
>>structural steel and concrete. It is ideal for commercial applications,
>>including decking, steel beams and concrete in high-rises, parking
>>garages,
>>mechanical rooms and elevator shafts. It satisfies the code requirements
>>for such organizations as International Building Code (IBC), International
>>Conference of Building Officials (ICBO), and Building Officials and Code
>>Administrators International (BOCA). Additionally, our fire resistive
>>material complies with the requirements of the U.S. Army Corps of
>>Engineers,
>>U.S. EPA, and Veterans Administration, among others. "
>>
>>
>>http://www.tridonindustries.com/fireproofing/products-services/new-construction-commercial-fireproofing.html
>>
>>If steel is so immune to fire, then why is it necessary to install
>>fireproofing on it?
>>
>>The problem is fire resistant simply means it is resistant to BURNING, not
>>that it is resistant to the effects of fire. Hence the need for
>>fireproofing
>>of structural steel in order to protect it from the effects of fire.
>>Indeed
>>EVERY building code in the nation requires the use of fireproofing of all
>>structural steel in all commerical/industrial buildings. There is a reason
>>for it.
>>
>>That you are ignorant of the need for, and use of, fireproofing on
>>structural steel in order to protect it from the effects of fire shows
>>that
>>you lack the basic necessary knowledge to evaluate the content of your
>>cites
>>and/or verify the validity of the claims being made within. For you, as
>>long
>>as it sounds good, proper and right, who cares about the facts? Right?
>>
>>
>>>> Steel rapidly loses strength as it gets hot
>>>
>>> More nonsense. Obviously, the rate at which steel loses it's
>>> strength depends on the rate and level of the temperature
>>> increase. Also, steel has high thermal conductivity, so the
>>> heat is quickly transfered away from the source and dispersed.
>>
>>Bullshit. Steel rapidly loses strength when heated hence the need for
>>fireproofing as indicated above and as required by building code. Second,
>>steel is actually a pretty poor conductor of heat as can be witnessed by
>>anyone who sees a person pick up a steel bar which is red hot at one end,
>>but can be held with little or no need for protection against heat at the
>>other end. Indeed I can heat a heavy steel plate to molten temperatures
>>and
>>less than 12 inches away still be able to touch the plate with my bare
>>hand
>>without problem.
>>
>
>
> Try it! Film it! Post it!

Did it, do it, and so does anyone else that has to heat structural steel, to
either induce a sweep or chamber into a beam or to remove such after being
damaged.

See, that's what I do, structural steel fabrication.


> Watching you jump and scream in pain after your skin sticks to
> the searing hot metal and then rips from your hand and fingers as you
> quickly recoil will surely prove not only very entertaining for those
> of us who know better, but quite instructive for those who don't.

Which clearly shows you don't know what the heck you're talking about.
However, if I can dig up a digital video recorder and I have some time to
waste perhaps I will do so. Because unlike you I know what the results will
be because I've already done it and not dependent upon my ignorance as you
are.