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PBS Frontline had an excruciatingly detailed documentary on the whole
affair, part 1 last night, part 2 tonight , I believe,


there is no question that it was
all lies, that cheney,wolfowitz, and rumsfeld were the primary architects,
that bush bought the lies
despite opposition from many including Powell and rice, that he and the
others had planned for war
with Iraq as far back as 2001 and maybe earlier

this show will probably be repeated, I saw it on cable at 3 in the morning
you can see it here too,on line, I think this is the one I saw last night


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/saddam/





"El Castor" wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:09:15 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
> wrote:
>
>>"El Castor" wrote in message
>>news:3haiu35frb9jf411ga2gb1vuuicat3leku@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:25:54 GMT, jim wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Default] On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:08:19 -0700, El Castor
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Here is the CBS/YouTube video. These lies are so blatant that there
>>>>>can be no excuses -- the woman is just, as Harry Truman would say, a
>>>>>liar by day and a liar by night. How can you Dems be so dumb as to
>>>>>believe a word she says?
>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4
>>>>
>>>>Dems defended these liars for years. No matter whether they were
>>>>abusing FBI files for political purposes, lying their asses off about
>>>>sweet land deals, or anything else; Rita, Paul, and the rest here
>>>>defended them with all the usual USENET tricks and now can't wait to
>>>>throw her off the bus.
>>>>
>>>>If the neighbor buys a vicious dog, you have no surprises that the dog
>>>>bites anyone, snarls when you walk by, or otherwise is a mean SOB. Do
>>>>you blame the dog or blame those who keep the dog on premises.
>>>>Clintons are just Clintons. There are no surprises and we ain't
>>>>shocked she can stand there and tell a baldfaced lie with conviction.
>>>>Point the finger at those who by stood them and expected the rest of
>>>>us to believe the lies.
>>>>
>>>>Rather like anyone who really thinks Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney did not
>>>>lie their asses off for this war.
>>>
>>> I don't know about Rumsfeld and Cheney, but I don't believe Bush lied
>>> about the war. He didn't lie about the WMDs and No Jim, it's not all
>>> about the oil.
>>
>>
>>Still sipping on your Bush brand Kool Aid? Sorry about that.
>
> Offer some proof that he lied (you may be able to), and I'll change my
> view. Keep in mind that "should have known" does not constitute a lie.
> Making a statement which later proves to be wrong (like Saddam has
> WMDs) does not constitute a lie. A statement on MediaMatters.com that
> "Bush lied" does not constitute proof of a lie. Here is the
> dictionary definition:
>
> "to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive"
> ... Merriam Webster
>
> We all make untrue statements that are not lies. It is the "intent to
> deceive" that is crucial. Understand?