soc.veterans

On 1 Apr, 00:17, Topaz wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:38 -0700 (PDT), parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >Hmm indeed, wolfie. Showers and a gas tight door (with peephole!)
> >Whatever was the purpose behind that?
>
> =A0Of course no such thing exists today.


No one claims they do. HOwvere, they clearly DID exist:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430624-inventory/


> The holo hugger Pressac claims
> he can prove they once existed. But..
>
> http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p17_Crowell.html#pgfId-1008516
>
> Samuel Crowell
>
> Well before the Second World War ended, the claim that the Nazis lured
> their victims into gas chambers under the pretense that they were
> entering showers was widely reported in the press. This linkage of
> showers and gassing is probably one reason why Allied soldiers,
> finding naked bodies in the camps, simply assumed that these were
> gassing victims, although we now know that typhus victims were
> stripped after death in order to burn the clothing and destroy the
> typhus-bearing lice.
>
> Nonetheless the linkage of showers and gas chambers enabled
> Jean-Claude Pressac to argue, in his 1989 book, Auschwitz: Technique
> and Operation of the Gas Chambers, that an inventory sheet in the
> transfer documents from the building office to the camp administration
> which listed "14 shower heads" [Brausen] for one of the basement rooms
> of crematorium III at Birkenau proved that that crematorium had housed
> a gas chamber. Pressac assumed the shower heads were fake, but, as
> Robert Faurisson was perhaps the first to note, that was simply
> presumptuous: the inventory specified "shower heads," not "fake
> showers."
>
> Pressac offered another document regarding showers in crematorium III
> in Auschwitz. This was a telegram dated May 14, 1943, from Karl
> Bischoff, the head of the Auschwitz Central Construction Office, to
> Kurt Pr=FCfer, the head engineer for Topf & Sons, which built the
> crematorium ovens and sought to provide other products to the camp as
> well. It reads:
>
> =A0 =A0 Bring Monday [May 17] rough plan for production of hot water for
> about 100 showers. Fitting of heating coils or boiler in the waste
> incinerator at present under construction crem. III or system using
> the high temperatures of the flue gases. It would be possible to raise
> the brickwork of the furnace to take a large tank. Herr Pr=FCfer is
> requested to bring the relevant drawings on Monday 15/5. Sig. Bischoff
>
> The standard explanation of this document has been that the SS planned
> to install showers after they ha completed their program of gassing
> and burning their enemies. As Carlo Mattogno has argued, however, this
> does not very well explain why the telegram is marked "Urgent"
> (dringend).
>
> Pressac's commentary on this document is worth quoting:
>
> =A0 =A0 In this telegram, J=E4hrling requested the urgent study of an
> installation to obtain hot water from the waste incinerator of
> Krematorium III, then under construction, to supply about one hundred
> showers (probably to be located in an annex building built on the
> southern wall of the Krematorium). Pr=FCfer was supposed to bring the
> relevant drawings with him on the 17th of May. [This plan was never
> implemented, although such installations were built in other camps,
> for example in the crematorium of K L Natzweiler (Struthof) where the
> incinerator was the main source of heat for the showers.] Although
> this request for a hot water system for a hundred NORMAL showers was
> in no way criminal, it was recorded in the Krematorium III worksite
> 30a, file under the heading "SONDERMASSN [AHMEN] / SPECIAL MEASURES"
> because the building was connected with these measures, the killing
> and cremation of Jews unfit for work." [emphases in original]
>
> This interpretation is incorrect in all respects. The telegram to Topf
> & Sons is part of a longer report, in four parts, that is contained in
> the Auschwitz Central Construction Office files, now archived in
> Moscow.
>
> The report commences with a cover letter from Bischoff to Kammler
> which begins:
>
> =A0 =A0 Auschwitz, am 16.5.1943
>
> =A0 =A0 Bftgb.[correspondence number] 28 941/43/Eg/Lm Betr.[re]:
> Sondermassnahme f=FCr die Verbesserung der hygienischen Einrichtungen im
> KGL-Auschwitz
>
> In English: "Special Measure for the Improvement of Hygiene at the POW
> Camp Auschwitz," that is, Birkenau.
>
> The text of the letter begins: "Attached hereto is a report on the
> measures carried out to date for the improvement of the hygienic
> facilities in the POW camp."
>
> There follows a two-page report that is headed: "Report on measures
> completed for the implementation of the special program ordered by the
> SS-Brigadef=FChrer and Major General of the Waffen-SS, Dr. Ing. Kammler"
>
> The report dates the particular special program to May 12, 1943, and
> lists seven categories of activity, including work on the sewage
> treatment plant, cutting the King's Ditch (K=F6nigsgraben, the main
> drainage ditch at Birkenau) through to the Vistula, work on the
> lavatories (Abortbaracken), washing barracks, and so on.
>
> The sixth listing is particularly relevant:
>
> =A0 =A0 Disinfection Station
>
> =A0 =A0 For the disinfection of the prisoners' clothing in the several
> parts of BA [Bauabschnitt: i.e., Birkenau sector -- ed.] II an
> Organization Todt disinfection station is envisioned. In order to
> achieve a complete bodily delousing for the prisoners, both of the
> existing baths for prisoners in BA I will be equipped with hot water
> heaters and boilers, so that there will be hot water for the existing
> showers. It is further planned to run heating pipes from the
> incinerator at crematorium III, to be used for the water in the
> showers to be set up in one of the basements of crematorium III.
>
> The report is dated May 16, 1943, as is the covering letter. Next, we
> have a copy of the telegram sent to Pr=FCfer, dated May 14, 1943,
> supplementing the previous report.
>
> Finally, we have a further three-page report, dated May 13, 1943,
> which details the job assignments for the "special measures," now
> referred to as an "emergency program" (Sofortprogramm). Paragraph 9
> reads as follows:
>
> =A0 =A0 Civilian worker J=E4hrling is to carry out the construction of the=

> hot water heaters and boilers in the washing barracks, as well as the
> showers in the undressing room of crematorium III. SS-Sturmbannf=FChrer
> Bischoff still needs to talk to the camp commandant,
> SS-Obersturmbannf=FChrer H=F6ss, about the showers. For the delousing
> ovens the SS-WVHA has still to send an Organization Todt drawing.
>
> Note that Bischoff refers to himself in the third person here: because
> this letter comes three days before the report of May 16, we feel it
> is safe to conclude that Bischoff had authorization from H=F6ss by that
> time. Mattogno has added a few more points to the question whether or
> not the showers under discussion were fake or genuine, by referring to
> two more documents strongly suggesting that they were genuine indeed:
>
> =A0 =A0 On June 5, 1942, Topf sent Drawing D60446 to the Zentralbauleitung=

> "regarding the installation of the boilers in the rubbish
> incinerator." This project also involved the installations for
> crematorium II. In an undated "questionnaire" apparently written in
> June 1943 regarding the Birkenau crematoriums, in answer to the
> question "Are the exhaust gases utilized?," the head of the
> Zentralbauleitung, Bischoff, responded: "Planned but not carried out,"
> and in response to the following question: "If yes, to what purpose?,"
> Bischoff answered, "for bath facilities in crematorium II and
> III."[see note]
>
> On the basis of the above report, which is put into context thanks to
> the work of Mattogno, the following conclusions may be drawn:
>
> =A0 =A01. The fourteen shower heads mentioned in the June 24, 1943
> transfer documents for crematorium III were genuine. To support the
> argument that the fourteen shower heads in the transfer documents were
> fake, it would be necessary to conclude that real showers were
> planned, but then a month later were replaced with fake ones. Indeed,
> the traditional narrative holds that morgue 1 of crematorium II had
> been used for two months before this...http://www.ihr.org/=A0 =A0 =A0http:=
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So, what was teh gas-tight door (with peephole!) for?
Why does this room get referred to as a "gassing cellar" in later
correspondence?
Why does it contain traces of HCN, according to e.g. Leuchter?