soc.veterans

On 31 Mar, 23:34, Wolfie wrote:
> Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
> > Topaz wrote:
> >> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:05:04 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Not when the photos at the concentration camps were taken.
> >> =A0Did you hear someone say there wasn't any concentration camps?
>
> >>> All of your (snipped) B.S. is an attempt to present some of the deaths=

> >>> at concentration camps as due to disease or starvation. Fine. I'll
> >>> concede some did die of typhus. But how many? 1 million, 2 million out=

> >>> of 6? Does that exonerate the Nazis for their behavior? Behavior that
> >>> they documented?
> >> Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:
>
> >> "the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
> >> destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
> >> extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
> >> would quarrel over just what happened"
>
> >> The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
> >> because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
> >> the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
> >> them to Madagascar.
>
> >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/27/print/main504730.shtml
>
> > "Historians have known for decades of Nazi use of Hollerith tabulators -=

> > the mainframe computer of its era."
>
> > "He said his research had uncovered the existence of a 500-man Nazi
> > statistical operation in Krakow that handled the complex task of
> > scheduling trains used to transport prisoners from other European
> > nations to death camps in Poland."
>
> > These are the same Nazis that you claim did everything off the books and=

> > left no evidence?
>
> > The book that the above link refers to should be interesting reading. It=

> > appears that evidence continues to be unearthed that plugs the
> > deniability gaps.
>
> Well, you know, there's a problem. After the war, at Nuremburg, the
> Soviets stated that the Nazis were responsible for the Katyn Forest
> Massacre. They also stated a huge number of homicidal deaths of Jewish
> camp victims on their side of the Iron Curtain. The numbers and
> methods used appear to be significantly different from those
> on the OTHER side of the Iron Curtain. THEN we find out that
> the Soviets lied about Katyn and they murdered the Polish officer
> corps themselves. Then you hear that the inmates
> got tattoos. Then only some of them. Totally at odds with
> German standards. Then we get told that they were tattooed
> then executed. Then we are told that they were tattooed with
> numbers even though they were about to be executed and burned.
> Then we hear that the Germans kept meticulous sick bay
> records and were NOT putting everyone who could not work to death.
> Then we see a young Jewish guy taking his video camera to
> Auschwitz and asking the same questions about death chambers
> and reconstructed buildings and getting totally misleading
> answers that even upset him.
>
> A lot of things don't make sense.

Such as gas tight doors (with peepholes!) in morgues?

> So you can't blame people
> for asking questions. When they do, they immediately run into
> morons

How does it feel to be completely outwitted by someone you regard as a
"moron" , wolfy? :-)

> like Parris aka Bernoulli Balls who just lie and lie
> and that raises even more questions.

I haven't lied to you at all, Wolfy. YOu simply got upset and arn away
because you couldn't explain why a "morgue "woudl have a gas-tight
door and traces of HCN on its walls.

You on the other had have lied about:

- "Huge holes" in the roofs of the Kremas
- Me comparing human beings with lice(?!)
- me lying
- the ease of identifying individuals in an enormous mass-grave of
cremated remains.

You are ignorant of:

- The fact that a higher concentration of HCN is neede to kill lice
than humans.
- That his concentration could be reached by throwing a can of Zyklon
B in a tent, so obviously getting a lesser concentration in an
imperfectly sealed room isn't going to be a problem

and no doubt many other things..

i.e. you are not just ignorant, but ignorant and dishonest,

>
> I think the first thing is to get rid of the fools like Parris'

=2E.who keep outwitting you ;-)


> that seek to be mouthpieces and get some credible people to step
> and tell it like it is warts and all. It doesn't make it any
> less horrible, but the truth good, bad or somewhere in between
> should be known.

I have told it like it is. The Germans used gas chambers at Auschwitz
to systematically exterminate hundreds of thousands of people. This is
proven (in the legal sense) by eyewitness testimony, documentary
evidence (e.g. the inventory, the letter describing building work, the
Wannsee Protocol, transport records etc) and physical evidence such as
traces of HCN in the buildings identified as gas chambers.

The remains of their victims were cremated and buried in mass graves,
such as these

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1673471.stm

A judge who examined the evidence for this when Irving tried to shut
down Lipstadt's right to free speech ruled that

"it is my conclusion that no objective, fair-minded historian would
have serious cause to doubt that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz
and that they were operated on a substantial scale to kill hundreds
of
thousands of Jews."

The vast, overwhelming majority of historians agree.

The only people who don't, are generally either:

1) Anti-semites
2) Neo -Nazis
3) ignorant
or
4) Batshit crazy.











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