sci.physics.particle

On Feb 13, 5:44=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
> On Feb 12, 4:15=A0pm, "Vince Morgan"
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> > "Eric Gisse" wrote in message
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> >news:161e9569-d70b-4964-abe5-1f8bd6132031@b2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 11, 11:20 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > On Feb 12, 12:50 am, Zilla wrote:
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> > > > On Feb 12, 1:19 am, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > > > On Feb 10, 7:02 am, Zilla wrote:
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> > >http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=3Dthe-coming-revolutions-in-particl=
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> > > > > > Btw... the articles about the Large Hadron Collider and coming
> > > > > > revolutions
> > > > > > in particle physics in Sci-Am mag are shared free in their site
> > (full
> > > > > > articles).
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> > > > > > The Hierarchy Problem and its solution is the top reason the LHC=

> > > > > > was built in the first place. And it is not just scaling the ene=
rgy
> > > > > > up,
> > > > > > it promises to discover new structures such as perhaps Santa Cla=
us
> > > > > > being precipitated by the LHC or more exotic dimensional branes.=

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> > > > > > I think the Hierarchy Problem can have analogy this way. In a
> > > > > > boxing ring, it takes 10 rounds of time for the boxers to punch
> > > > > > themselves around. Let's say the boxing ring is the interaction
> > > > > > region or vertex of QED. In physics, what happens is that in
> > > > > > 1 sec or less, all the punches in the 10 rounds happen at
> > > > > > once. This is the magic of QED & QM. Now the Hierarchy Problem
> > > > > > is the mystery how come a Muhammed Ali punch like an infant.
> > > > > > That is, the Higgs can decay into top quark-anti-top quark pairs=

> > > > > > and because there are many paths, it can reach planck mass.
> > > > > > But in reality the higgs mass to satisfy the electroweak theory
> > > > > > is only very small. Why? =A0Who knows, the LHC may discover
> > > > > > sequestering branes that protect the higgs from reaching the
> > > > > > planck mass.
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> > > > > > It is surely interesting times ahead come July when the LHC
> > > > > > becomes operational.
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> > > > > > I'm still perplexed why chiral symmetry can protect the masses
> > > > > > of the fermions and bosons from the higgs hierarchy problem.
> > > > > > Anyone kind enough to share?
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> > > > > > Zilla
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> > > > > i thought that QM solved everthing !!.......
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> > > > > 2
> > > > > have you heared about the idea of
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> > > > > 'The chain of orbitals ' =A0 =A0???
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> > > > > (3)
> > > > > you quoted so many parroting nonsense
> > > > > that beed a special prize from the Land of =A0nonasense
> > > > > anyway it sowes clear as sun on midday
> > > > > that no one undwerstands a fuck about what is =A0realygoing on the=
re
> > > > > and it i squite clear to me that even the largest LHC
> > > > > will not make it clearer
> > > > > if there will be no some change in basic paradigms
> > > > > like
> > > > > 'no mass in physics '
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> > > > > because old catto saied :
> > > > > 'No mass --no real physics '
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> > > > > ATB
> > > > > Y.Porat
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> > > > What nonsense? =A0It's just the tip of the iceberg.
> > > > Physics middle name is strange and weird...
> > > > btw... if you want to know too how chiral
> > > > symmetry can protect the masses of the fermions
> > > > and bosons from the higgs hierarchy problem.
> > > > The answers are here:
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> > > >http://www.itep.ru/ws/2003/procs/Froggatt.pdf
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> > > > see the chapter "Fermion masses and mass protection".
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> > > > Also in here
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> > > >http://courses.washington.edu/phys55x/Physics%20558_lec2.htm
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> > > > specifically:
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> > > > "As we discussed last quarter, both vector particles and
> > > > spin =BD particles naturally display symmetries that can
> > > > ensure that they remain massless. =A0In the former case
> > > > it is a gauge symmetry that plays this role. =A0As long
> > > > as the gauge symmetry remains unbroken, there can
> > > > be no interactions in the theory (i.e., terms in the
> > > > Lagrangian, including a bare mass term) that give
> > > > the vector gauge boson a mass. =A0The symmetry
> > > > also ensures that this situation remains true even
> > > > at higher order in perturbation theory. =A0In particular,
> > > > radiative corrections in the form of loop diagrams
> > > > (to be explained more thoroughly below) will not
> > > > cause the vector gauge boson to acquire a mass.
> > > > Likewise a Lagrangian with chiral symmetry
> > > > (i.e., a Lagrangian where the right-handed fermions
> > > > are treated independently from the left-handed
> > > > ones) will exhibit massless fermions to all orders
> > > > in perturbation theory. =A0Recall that the typical
> > > > terms in the Lagrangian for a gauge theory,
> > > > except for fermion mass terms, can be written
> > > > separately for the different chiral components".
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> > > my poor advaice to you is to learn the most basic
> > > physics
> > > **before you are fiddling with matheamtics**
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> > > the only good tip i can suggest to you
> > > for basic physics is
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> > > no mass no real physics !!
> > > just as simple as that !!!
> > >Translated: "I don't understand how massless particles can possibly
> > >exist, so they are wrong."
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> > Me too Eric.
> > Seems like theories to support theories that don't add up to anything bu=
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> > the need for additional theory to explain a problem with the last additi=
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> > need for further additional theory. =A0If I had to eat this stuff I'd be=
come a
> > virtual person pretty quickly I think.
> > No doubt all this stuff has been proven experimentaly?
> > But as I don't get it I'm virtually stupid too I guess.
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> virtual [particles has never =A0been proven experimentall
> in the location they are menst to exist
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> the were produces artificially in huge accelerators
> with the porbability of =A0 one to a few billon
> and ahs nothing to do with =A0 reallity

Actually.. virtual particles are not produced in huge
accerelators.. virtual particles exist everywhere, for
example, right inside your body.. without virtual particles
the atoms may collapse (because virtual particles
transmit the electromagnetic force) and there will be
no Porat to make glad and give bliss to the women of Israel.
:)

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> it seems that some of 'modern physics '
> had reached new picks of crookedness!!
> and stupidity
> thanks to so 'witch Doctors' mathematicians

I like your "witch doctors mathematicians" descriptions :)
This relates to string theories. It may well be possible
that only portions of mathematics are made syntax of
nature. String theory seem to stretch it too much. It's
like a group of folks which analyzed an Intel Processor.
They learnt it has mathematics inside it... and they
want to explore how the processor circuit may use
General Relativity for its operation. This is the same
with string theory.

Z.

> accompanied by experimental crooks -that are cheating the whole world
> playing the Tam Tam drums ....
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> Y.Porat
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