sci.physics.particle

On Apr 5, 12:16=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
> On Apr 4, 2:13=A0pm, Kumar wrote:
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> > On Apr 4, 3:46=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > On Apr 4, 1:23=A0pm, Kumar wrote:
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> > > > On Apr 4, 2:35=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > > > On Apr 4, 10:38=A0am, Kumar wrote:
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> > > > > > On Apr 3, 12:22=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > > > > > gravity is even while mass A and B do not move
> > > > > > > mutually
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> > > > > > > ATB
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> > > > > > Still things within mass move. Instead of mass or alongwith mass=
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> > > > > > we consider "inter & intra-particle/substance" motions as a medi=
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> > > > > > or creater of GF?
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> > > > > indeed even if big mass A and B are even not in relative motion
> > > > > thee still inside movement of subparticles of A and B
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> > > > > but the point is that
> > > > > **there must be messengers that ;fountain **outside*
> > > > > of those masses A and B
> > > > > so it is those messengers that do the job
> > > > > the inner motion can be only
> > > > > *an indirect* cause for those messengers
> > > > > to burst outwards
> > > > > (that is how i personally see it
> > > > > i dont have a direct line to God =A0(:-))
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> > > > > ATB
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> > > > Whatever be the motion, whether inside or outside, can it be motion
> > > > which create/interpret as gravitational force(GF)?
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> > > any force is created by collision of particles or subaprticles
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> > > if two cars run side by side
> > > there is no force =A0between them
> > > (if you neglect the wind dradft)
> > > that is what you can see or senseor not sense =A0in your steering weel=

> > > while gravitation is wayes weaker force
> > > may orders of mgnitude weaker than say EM firce
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> > > the fact that we a re attracted sostringly to earth
> > > is not because the gravitation is a stron force
> > > betwwen small masses as i and you are
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> > > a force between us and the huge mass of earth !!
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> > > yet we cannot see those messengers'gravitins )
> > > =A0that go it
> > > but we strongly guess they are there
> > > not passive and not static but runnibg lkie mad
> > > back anc forth
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> > > may be tell =A0 =A0me what is in your mind?
> > > iw were do you stricde to (or row to )??
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> > > ATB
> > > Y.Porat
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> > > Otherwise, how GF
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> > > > is created?
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> > Simply, can't that force be somewhat centripetal force due to the
> > motion in and of all masses(at micro & macroscopic levels)?
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> > In F=3DG. M1M2/r2 or in F=3DG.Mm/r2...can we consider M or m as
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> let me tell you that i am the last one on that planet
> that is ready to substitute mass by anything
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> **no mass - no eal physics **!!!
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> fo rme it is
> kilogram =A0meter =A0second =A0 =A0-- is physics
> you have to consder that
> a centripetal force is not dome by some mysterious
> basic entities
> it is done by more **basic* physical entities like
> mass movement
> fo rme energy is mass in movement
> it is not ghosts in movement
> and forces are created only by mass collissions
> not by spititualistic ghosts behavious
> in shorty:
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> 'No mass no real physics
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> isnt that not simple ??
> why look for vague complicated =A0systems ??
> (thoug i am noty in principle against creative
> innovative ideas ...but it must be somehow convinsive .)
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> ATB
> Y.Porat
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I have not considered & mentioned Gravitational force(GF) by a
mystrious entity(except prime force if there). Instead of mass, I am
just considering motion in and of a mass/body as a creater/mediator of
GF. Mass may also be dependant on motion. Say for example, if we tie a
mass/object to a string at one end and a weighing scale on other end
and if we rotate. Weighing scale will so progressive increase in
weight of that Mass . If we leave it, it will fall quickly on earth
that if we just through it. Do all these don't indicate that
gravitational force can be dependant on motion & motion can also be
dependant on other fundamental forces.

For me, there may not be anything hidden, mysterious or supernatural,
but it can be yet unknown in science.