sci.physics.particle

On Mar 30, 6:54=A0am, Kumar wrote:
> On Mar 29, 2:05=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > snip> > Intresting but bit more technical for me. Does it not suggest
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> > > > yes!
> > > > i dont have a direct phone to God =A0(:-)
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> > > =A0Trying to get such idea/knowledge (of prime/one force) may not be
> > > possible without it. :)
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> > > > all i cantell you is my private understandings and guesses
> > > > yet i think i have some long period of folowing scinece
> > > > and even my private investigations and findings
> > > > after a long resarch project about the structure of matter
> > > > that lasted many years
> > > > so
> > > > yess
> > > > i guess that actually all forces arer based on the same simple 'tric=
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> > > > that is why i suggest the 'Circlon' idea :
> > > > a basic particle that
> > > > *moved **naturally* in a curved path !!
> > > > that idea should replace the 'curved space time' idea !!
> > > > (excuse the arrogance ...)
> > > > matter spreading nonstop a sort of a fountain
> > > > of circlons
> > > > they are epread out but come back because of the
> > > > corved nature of theit movement
> > > > and that is btw who attraction force doe snot get lost !!!
> > > > if it was done by something that moves in straight lines
> > > > it would ....... guess what??
> > > > most of them should be lost in case they miss the target
> > > > yet it does not happen =A0ass an experimantal fact
> > > > now
> > > > if two masses are close and each of themis spreading its
> > > > fountain'
> > > > there is a situation in which those circlons
> > > > suround the other mass and hit it from its rare side @!
> > > > may be some of them from the front side
> > > > 9the shortest line between the two masses)
> > > > but those at the front side ((cllide and canceleach other
> > > > from the opposite side
> > > > so we get
> > > > **an unballanced force * that pushes thmmasses
> > > > close to each other
> > > > and stronger an stronger as comming closer
> > > > because in that close distance
> > > > those 'fountains are thicker !!
> > > > how about that ??
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> > > > another surprising idea"
> > > > if you folow my chain of orbital idea
> > > > =A0THE CIRCLON' CAN EXPLAIN THAT CHAIN OF ORBITALS
> > > > =A0ther very exostance and their beiavious
> > > > a closed 'fountan ' that conraines a big amput of circlons
> > > > canbahave like a sort of a solid ring !!!
> > > > and there you got the chain of orbitals that are
> > > > more massive at the base (mother orbital)
> > > > and getting looser and less massive as they get
> > > > firther away from that motrher orbital
> > > > (the bundle of mass that moves ina closed circle
> > > > i s =A0more massive at themother particle aria (volume )
> > > > since allthe basic particles that make that structre
> > > > always comes back in a circular movement
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> > > > another assumption abouth those corclons is that
> > > > a circlon wil keep it sradius of movement
> > > > untill and unless it colides with another one
> > > > (parallel to Newtons forst law of motion
> > > > but not in a straight line!)
> > > > anothe imjportant note :
> > > > a ring od circlons can move ijn a straight line
> > > > ie
> > > > if its center of gravity (of the ring) is moving in a stright line
> > > > or simpler:
> > > > thecenter of gravity of a ring orbital
> > > > CAN =A0 \move in straigh tlines
> > > > even though the movement** in the ring** is circular!! (:-)
> > > > so =A0for a n =A0 observer from ousde it
> > > > each circlon there is doing a composit =A0movement
> > > > how about that ??
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> > > > TIA
> > > > Y.Porat
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> > > Thanks but still more technical.
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> > > Btw, can we consider GF just as an inward push
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> > yess
> > i think that any attraction force is
> > at the ebd of the day =A0a push force
> > force can be done (att heend of the day
> > though not always obvious -)**only by collision**
> > and collision cannot make a pull force !!
> > so it i sat the end of the day a collision force
> > 'att eh right place and location
> > or even a **resuly or balace of froces
> > actually =A0unballanced force )
> > that is how i use the Cirlon to explain any attractionforce !!
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> > =A0( tarnado or whirlpool
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> > sort of ...
> > but not any whirlpool will do it
> > it must be a special whirlpool
> > a private case of a whirlpool
> > but mattwer there is not roattion all of it only in one dorection
> > there is there
> > a front and back motion !!!!and **biased**
> > not isometric motion =A0motion so it ceates
> > an unballanced force !!
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> > asi said
> > just the symetric motion of earth cannot do it
> > it is in my theory Circlons
> > from earth and sun (mostly tthose from sun that do it )
> > moving as i suggested- that do it
> > btw
> > if i am right
> > ther should be a silght differnce in g
> > between our lighted side
> > and our 'dark side' fron sun
> > while rather the lightted side shoud be somewaht weaker??
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> > can it be =A0 meaured ??
> > ie
> > you take a fixed spot
> > andsee if there is a slight difference between
> > g at night and day =A0????
> > yet as you immagine
> > even a slight difference in g multiplied by
> > a very big aria is a big qauntity
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> > TIA
> > Y.Porat
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> Instea, can GF be combined of two forces, one push force by its motion

how can motion cause push according to your guesses ??


> and other by earths magnetic force along with inersteller forces

i think you mingel too many factors
the magnwetic force is many orders of magnitude
stronger than Gravity
and OTHA (note carefully)
**the range** of magnatic force is uncomparably
**shorter* than the Gravitaion force
another differnce between them is
that gravity cannot be screened
while magnetism can be screened
so it is very different 'birds' that i cant see
how they can cooperate
besides

even masses that has no megnetism attract each other
by gravity
so ...........????!!!

ATB
Y.Porat
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