sci.physics.particle

On Feb 26, 2:25=A0am, "Y.Porat" wrote:
> On Feb 26, 1:51=A0am, higis wrote:
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> > On Feb 25, 9:20=A0pm, srp2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > On 25 f=E9v, 01:50, higis wrote:
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> > > > On Feb 25, 2:20 pm, srp2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > > On 25 f=E9v, 00:12, higis wrote:
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> > > > > > On Feb 25, 11:44 am, srp2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > > > > On 24 f=E9v, 20:03, higis wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 8:20 am, Sam Wormley wrote:=

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> > > > > > > > > higis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The term binding energy is not so intuitive, isn't it.
> > no more be summarize
> > > > > in a few sentences than SR and GR can.
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> > > > > But regarding your specific question as to why, if
> > > > > you separate a helium atom into two hydrogens,
> > > > > then the mass of the 2 separate hydrogens
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> > > > > emitted in altitude.
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> > > > > As for separating helium into 2 hydrogen,
> > > > > this simply is the most extreme case of
> > > > > the series. You have 4 tightly packed nucleons
> > > > > each charged quark of which is pulling each
> > > > > opposite charge quark of the three other
> > > > > triads at close range, slackening rather
> > > > > strongly their translation diameter,
> > > > > thus diminishing their mass.
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> > > > So this is your explanation of binding energy.
> > > > Hmm...
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> > > Not really. I can only present this out of
> > > context since the pertaining model cannot
> > > be put in perspective in a few sentences.
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> > > It's like talking about space and time dilation
> > > without explaining SR first.
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> > > In the 3 spaces model, there is binding force
> > > involved, not binding energy.
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> =A0> What is your explanation why matter has
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> > wave like properties? Heisenberg Uncertainty
> > Principle is a consequence of it. If matter is
> > pure wave, the wave is everwhere and so
> > there is no definite location, but if the wave
> > or momentum has a range of values that
> > is within the observed limit, there is a
> > corresponding range in the position since
> > the only way to localize a wave is to fourier
> > them. This is all common sense. What is
> > wrong with it?
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> > > > If not, what are their counterarguments?
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> > > Simple. Their counterargument is that
> > > I am a crackpot. Very scientific.
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> > > > What
> > > > the mainstream is saying is that in bound
> > > > system, the potential energy is lower so
> > > > there is lower mass. But in your case, you
> > > > are explaining it in a mechanical way. About
> > > > the quarks. If you were a neutron in the outer
> > > > edge of the nucleus. You ould only feel the
> > > > strong force from the nearer neutron and
> > > > proton and not from the other proton/neuron
> > > > on the other side, isn't it?
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> > > Not so. Electrostatic interaction is in permanent
> > > action as a function of the inverse square law
> > > of the distance between all pairs of charged
> > =A0> > What you call the strong force is a just a
> > > Copenhagen school interpretation of the
> > > electrostatic force acting at close range.
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> > You put similar charge particles close to one
> > another, they repel. So to counter the similar
> > charged protons in the nucleus from literally
> > exploding outward, the strong force being
> > strong bind them. How can your electrostatic
> > force do the same trick?
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> > > It simply is an extension of Maxwell's theory
> > > modified with a disregarded de Broglie theory
> > > that allows applying Maxwell to localized
> > > moving particles.
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> > > Andr=E9 Michaud
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> > > > > Separate them and the separate triads
> > > > > will of course tighten their orbits, increasing
> > > > > their mass.
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> > > > > Highest mass for all atoms can be reached
> > > > > only for very small amounts of matter located
> > > > > far in space from any large accumulations
> > > > > (planets).
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> > > > > Andr=E9 Michaud
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> matter is mass in movement as well
> (as energy )
> the movement is **intrinsic* so you cant notice it*
> now if 'intrinsic' it must beinj circular movement
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> if ir is shot out of the big mass (hosting it)
> it still moves in a combined movement
> a hellix movement
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> and that explaines your 'wave like' behaviour !!
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> the fact tyhat we cannot locate exactly the position of subaprticles
> that makes light
> is not natures fault
> it is ouer fault!
> our tools fault
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> the hesenberg principle is again a result of our tools
> not nature reality
> innature
> each pieace of matter has isjust one unequivocal
> location
> it is the subjestiove of us and out limitation
> that makes that uncertainty !!!!
> not natuers rule
> 'nature knowes exacly' =A0 at each moment
> wher is each peace of its '*belongings '
> (or else it would not be at all !!! it is a physical *fact* )
> difficult to understand that simple logic ??
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> ATB
> Y.Porat
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xxein: True. But get rid of the helix.