sci.physics.electromag

On Apr 9, 6:13 pm, Laurent wrote:
> On Apr 6, 1:44 am, "FrediFizzx" wrote:
>
> > "Laurent" wrote in message
>
> >news:854417cb-9999-4e71-ab7b-a7bc9026105a@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Aether is the empty space on which the Universe sits.
>
> > Well, that doesn't make much sense. You don't help your case much
> > with
> > a statement like that. Empty space (the void) is the stage that
> > ether
> > and *other* quantum objects play on.
>
> > Volovik says it like it is very well in his book "The Universe in a
> > Helium Droplet" page 461 sect. 33 Conclusion;
>
> > "According to the modern view the elementary particles (electrons,
> > neutrinos, quarks, etc.) are excitations of some more fundamental
> > medium
> > called the quantum vacuum.
>
> Also know as aether...

Whatever; no since haggling over a name.

> > This is the new ether of the 21st century.
> > The electromagnetic and gravitational fields, as well as the fields
> > transferring the weak and the strong interactions, all represent
> > different types of collective motion of the quantum vacuum."
>
> The quantum vacumm moves? Isn't it a void, as in 'not matter'? How can
> an immaterial substance move?

The quantum "vacuum" as a relativistic medium would not be a void but
exists in the void of empty space. Not necessarily an "immaterial
substance" either. But also not matter.

> > Most likely we just don't know what all the quantum objects are yet.
> > Or
> > their possible interactional configurations. Hopefully we will get
> > some
> > more clues after the LHC has been running for awhile.
>
> The quantum refers to a quantum of energy, in other words, an amount
> of energy... the smallest amount of energy as far as we know.
> Information (geometry) starts with the quantum. Existence starts with
> the quantum. Before the quantum there is the aether. There can be an
> aether without quanta but there can be no quanta without an aether.
> The aether is before matter and it is dimensionless, like a point...
> yet, it contains the Universe.

Not necessarily. What if the quantum "vacuum" (aether) is composed of
quanta in some kind of a neutral configuration?

Best,

Fred Diether
Co-moderator sci.physics.foundations