Group: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: vonvegas
Date: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: Thoroughgoing Collectivism

Gordon Sollars wrote:
> In article <47C65E93.3070500@cox.net>, vonvegas@cox.net says...
>> Gordon Sollars wrote:
>> > In article <47C5120E.1070304@cox.net>, vonvegas@cox.net
>>>

Gordon:
>>> Yes, he can, insofar as "holding to the duty" is measured by the
actions
>>> that he takes.

Vonvegas:
>>
>> He can only in your fantasies because as you assert, there is no
duty to
>> be measured against, remember?

Gordon:
>
> There is no duty, but there is a description for the actions to be
> measured against. Thus, if a person says that he prays because there is
> a duty to pray to God, we can "measure his actions" by looking to see if
> he prays or not.

So what? Sure, in this world we can measure his *existing* actions
(prayer) but such result cannot be related (measured how it holds to
the duty) to a *nonexistent* (God), cause there *exists* no duty to
which to hold. Duh!


>You didn't understand what I was claiming


Au contraire mon petite. I understood it well enuf to not confuse (as it
seems you have) the existing real world with your attempted fantasy
world creation in which there exist, contra reality, relations between
the existent and the nonexistent. I'll not explain this further just in
case you haven't got it yet; I want to give you plenty of rope and not
spoil the fun.


- but that
> has never stopped you from loose talk before.

Cite, please.

And how about answering instead of already twice snipping/ignoring:
Do you understand the difference between thot and its object, especially
when such object is nonexistent?



Your pal,
Vonvegas

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