humanities.philosophy.objectivism

On Apr 1, 8:46 pm, Agent Cooper wrote:


> Well sure, but I didn't argue that we shouldn't pursue camps where we
> find them; I argued that we shouldn't have gone after Iraq's
> government. Extensive Al Qaeda training camps never existed in Iraq
> [sucks in air, holds breath, waits]
>

No, you said that the War in Afghanistan was okay by you, which did
not just include Clinton-esque "pursue camps where we find them" and
aspirin factories elsewhere, and calling it a day, but rather a full-
blown invasion, occupation, and installation of a new government.
Both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are identical in that respect,
except for the fact that Iraq, for many reasons, presented a greater
threat, made war against its neighbors, harbored terrorists --
including the future leader of al-QED in Iraq, who DID HAVE a camp
inside Iraq -- had an insane leader but also a quite substantial
secular, Western-style tradition to work with. It is easier to predict
that more success can be made from Iraq than from Afghanistan, and yet
you have in common with anti-war turds like Ron Paul that Afghanistan
War was a just war, and Iraq War was not, though now you are revising
history to make out that the Afghanistan War was just a matter of
"pursuing camps".


> > [. . . ]


> > Which American citizen has been "mistreated"?
>
> Jose Padilla, apprehended in Chicago, held without charge for four
> years. That seems really strange to me, along a number of dimensions.
> There's gotta be a Fourth or Fifth Amendment issue in there somewhere.
> Maybe there's a special exception for Hispanics? I dunno.
>

He got his trial and was convicted. End of story.


> The so-called Bush
>
> > encroachment on civil liberties is a lie.
>
> No, it isn't. Read what Scalia says about Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. SCALIA,
> fer chrissakes!
>
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-6696.ZD.html


Gosh, you mean a minority opinion? Scalia is a thug.

Why can't you find an example of an American citizen who might
actually have a chance of being innocent of taking up arms against the
country?


It is SCOTUS which is close to breaching the separation of powers.