humanities.philosophy.objectivism

On Mar 13, 8:36 am, Charles Bell wrote:
> On Mar 13, 3:44 am, Potroast wrote:
>
> > On Mar 12, 6:47 pm, Charles Bell wrote:
>
> > > What do you suppose we can do? Can we patriate to other countries those
> > > many (30% ?) of U.S. citizens who would just as well see America
> > > defeated or do not care?
>
> > You must mean the principled Americans that aren't sophist
> > bullies..
>
> No, I mean the Americans who are only interested in getting their
> government benefits and the thieves responsible for getting them those
> benefits.

As usual you stereotype. In this case tiny number of welfare cases =
antiwar

Although there is currently an antiwar bias on the left,
historically plenty people on the right wing were against starting
wars (even Ron Paul today) I thought ARI was supposed to be against
initiating force but what they appear to really stand for is promoting
no coercion against themselves. Everyone else should just sit still
and wait for ARIan brown shirts to come by and pick them up for
"processing" (especially Muslims)

I don't think America is the most tolerant country but it's
certainly better than a fair chunk of the world. ARI supporters like
to complain how too much tolerance empowers their enemies.... but if
those very same tolerant people thought remotely like them.... they
would worked towards having ARI supporters shot ages ago.

> I mean those Americans who would do a cost-benefit analysis and
> calculate that we could afford 9/11 attacks every eight years or so in
> comparison to the cost of a global war against the evil responsible
> for those attacks.

How altruistic and noble of you to combat evil. And here I though ARI
was strictly about selfish cost-benefit analysis with no empathy for
the suffering of human beings.

> I mean those who believe it is America that is evil.

I've talked to a few online. They don't appear to think America is
evil. It's more like they think people like you are. Considering the
definition of evil (around the globe) is those that advocate
preemptive wars, promote hated of stereotypes and are anti-altruism...
are you really that surprised that so many people might view you this
way?

( I don't like the almost biblical term "evil" much myself... it's
more like bad bad decision making. )

> I mean pacifist freeriders.

Pacifists and freeriders are two distinct things. People call
themselves pacifists sometimes but unfortunately there aren't really
that many pacifists. If there were... there would be no nukes, no
militaries, no wars.

As for freeriders.... you can find many of them on death row in prison
for murdering someone or another out of self-interest. Not too many
morally conscious pacifists to be found in prisons doing hard time.
(other than perhaps places like, Burma, the Soviet Union, WW2 Germany
etc...)