Group: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: Gordon Sollars
Date: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: On color: For you Non-believers

In article <92c8ef3c-c0c0-4b5c-9b5f-e3bd695f2f83
@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, davids@webmaster.com says...

> So metaphysical facts can be mind-dependent. Similarly, once I
> conceptualize "Sun", "Earth", and "physically larger", it is a
> metaphysical fact that the Sun is larger than the Earth. This does not
> make that fact mind-independent.

As I have tried to point out before - with no success, apparently -
there is an ambiguity about "mind-independent" here. For example, you
might argue that natural numbers would not exist if there had been no
human beings (modulo alien intelligences) - and so depend on the
existence of humans - but it is not "mind-independent" that there is no
largest prime number. That's a fact about natural numbers that no mind
- however independent - is going to change.

--
Gordon

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