humanities.philosophy.objectivism

On Mar 24, 7:20 pm, David Schwartz wrote:

> The question is not about whether the things themselves change (they
> don't), it's about what the things themselves are.

I guess you don't remember---you can't say "the things
themselves" because there are no things themselves.

Remember? The existence of "things themselves" rests
upon our "model" of the universe. The universe is a
plenum so there are no "things themselves." Thus, in
your theory, any statement about "what the things
themselves are" in the absence of consciousness, is
necessarily a meaningless sentence.

I'm not going to argue with a guy who can't even keep
his own position straight!

Though I will give you a drop of compassion because I
happen to understand that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to
actually keep your position straight.

You've done the best you can, and probably the best
that could be done. Have a nice day, David, and please
please don't take up teaching...at least not kids.


jk