Group: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: David Schwartz
Date: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: On color: For you Non-believers

On Mar 22, 5:09 am, "Robert J. Kolker"
wrote:

> > What kind of property is it for a molecule to be part of the Sun?

> Relational. Any atom that is in the sun could also not be in the sun.

> For A to be to the right of B or in B is not a property of A (or B), it
> is a relation between A -and- B.

I agree, but what kind of relation is "part of the Sun"? Is it in
relation to everything else? Everything near the Sun? Just the other
parts of the Sun?

To make the "size of the Sun" independent of consciousness, you have
to make the property "part of the Sun" independent of consciousness
(because size is the boundary around all parts). Maybe that can be
done, but it's not immediately apparent to me how. It's not clear to
me in what sense the size of an object exists if the rule to determine
what is and isn't part of it does not exist in any meaningful sense.

In any event "to the right of" is at least dependent upon where you
view from. So it would seem to require at least an observer (though
not necessarily a conscious one) in order for there to be a reference
point.

DS

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