Group: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: Al Montestruc
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: John Stossel talks about Global Warming

On Mar 30, 4:15 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
wrote:
> "Al Montestruc" wrote in message
>
> news:1228aa79-5841-4e4c-8937-58af40ab43e8@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Mar 29, 9:40 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
> > wrote:
> >> "Al Montestruc" wrote in message
>
> >> Six inches? Per year?
>
> >> How much would the earth temps have to rise to produce that much SL??
>
> > It is not so much a matter of temperature rise as heat flux change.
> > It takes large amounts of heat to melt ice, so the temperature rise
> > often (in part anyway) would follow the melting of the ice rather than
> > precede it.
>
> Which completely destroys your argument.


No, first off you might want to figure out what my argument "is"
before you make such claims.
>
> The reason CO2 FOLLOWS temp rise by around 800 years

It appears to follow, and I do not know where you get the 800 year
figure, I at least have been good enough to post sources. I do not
agree that the CO2 rise is in fact following the temperature rise.
That may be an artifact of of how the data was gathered.



> is the amount of heat
> required to warm a large and deep ocean.

But if the heat surplus is caused by an excess of CO2 constricting
heat loss from the earth to space (which is SOP), this does not
follow. The models are not in agreement with the data and we need to
track down the source of the inconsistency.



>
>
>
> > The heat balance goes something like this:
>
> > net heat in from the sun + geothermal heat= heat radiated by the earth
> > to space + heat used melting ice or heating the environment
>
> > The heat loss to space are complex function of radiation heat transfer
> > factors (functions of chemistry of the atmosphere, and lots of other
> > things) times the temperature of the earth to the 4th power.
>
> Christ-on-a-bike! Such drivel. Save it for the mental misfits like TC.


Dipshit you are talking to a multiple degreed, professional engineer
that has an MS based on such. Radiation heat transfer in combustion
systems specifically was a major part of my graduate level work.
Radiation heat transfer from the earth to space is huge pain in the
ass to model accuratly. That is fact not "drivel".

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