humanities.philosophy.objectivism

On Feb 26, 7:56 am, Bill C
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> > On Feb 24, 6:48 pm, Bill C
> > wrote:
> >> "Potroast" wrote in message
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> >> > On Feb 23, 9:10 pm, Bill C
> > You are making all sorts of inaccurate extrapolations and putting
> > words in my mouth. (stereotypes seems to be the way your brain works I
> > guess) Just RTFM please.
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> > To refresh from the start.....I do think mainstream American media
> > bias is very real (at least when it comes to the middle east) and I
> > did provide some examples and sources. I also did say I didn't think
> > it was intentional (more of a overly sensitive issue)... nor did I
> > suggest all Americans are extremists. (not to mention on many
> > occasions I have stated I don't hate America even though I direct a
> > great deal of criticism as the current government)
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> > Many Oists do appear to be have some stereotype of a raging Muslim
> > suicide bomber in their heads. While this does exist, (mostly in
> > countries that the US has become militarily involved in) they only
> > make up a small proportion of the billion plus muslims in the world.
> > Furthermore Oist appear to be advocating the "preemptive" murder of
> > hundreds of millions of Muslims. (aka attack)
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> > Am I wrong to think this? Please feel to correct me if so.
>
> > If not......before you start preaching about bigotry to others....
> > I recommend you look up the word in a few dictionaries to see what it
> > actually means (along with the word tolerance) Forgive me for thinking
> > that some dude that stays silent while guys like Peikoff and Brooke
> > seem to be scheming to murder millions of Muslims....doesn't take the
> > subject of tolerance too seriously.
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> Being that we've been at war to varying degrees with Islamists for years
> prior to 9-11, animosity has inevitably bleed out to the larger Muslim
> community. It happens on both sides in every war as people either choose
> sides to become allies or refuse to choose sides and become enablers. Wars
> leave little room for due process. It becomes a judgment call as to how much
> bias is reasonable and how much is just irrational hate driving bigotry. So
> you think America's media is guilty of that?
>
> I don't know what standard could be used to identify it, but this story
> doesn't do it for the reasons listed. Regressing back to the root causes of
> the war, as you started to do, may or may not be foundational to measuring
> it in some way, but it destroys the discussion's focus by exponentially
> branching through discussions of history and ethics.
>
> Regarding preemptive nuclear attacks promoted by Objectivists, I think half
> the people here are just newsgroup kooks. Some like Kolker may be narrowly
> brilliant but are nothing close to being Objectivists as far as I can tell.
> I don't know what Peikoff or Brook are now promoting. Last I vaguely
> remember, they wanted to press Iran into disarming with the threat of nuking
> their nuclear facilities. I've also been in favor of a much more aggressive
> WOT campaign, but not from following anything promoted by Peikoff. Once one
> of their ideological brothers gets elected to something beyond dog-catcher,
> I'll consider taking their opinions as seriously politically as I do
> academically.
>
> Bill Carson

I have no reason to think Peikoff and Brooke still don'y want to
preemptively nuke (considering {Peikoffs comments in the NY just after
9/11). My guess is because no one listened to them they aren't making
as many waves in this direction at the moment (makes them look weak).
My chief concern here is when another terrorist hit comes (and it will
under the current political situation) that those voices are obviously
going to try to use it as an opportunity to overreact again. (much
like the measures on 9/11 were an over reaction that caused more
problems than they fixed)

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/tr040607.gif

Muslims have been for a long time around. IMO opinion why they are
so worked up at the moment is because they feel they are being
colonized by force. (or crusades if you prefer) Thanks for clarifying
your position although I disagree with the more force angle. This will
only lead to a tit-for-tat testosterone situation like Israelis and
Palestinians have been playing for 60 years.... and up getting you
down a road where most of America (and the world)... will not follow.
IMO if you want to see why they have come to hate America so... just
look at the US veto record on Palestine compared to the rest of the
world.

http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html

They can be wiped out of course but even in the event it happened...
it ain't right. Better to lose and be moral (like in Vietnam).... then
to be goaded into being the tough guy and commit war atrocities to try
and win.