humanities.philosophy.objectivism

On Mar 20, 3:16 pm, "Robert J. Kolker"
wrote:
> TC wrote:

> > Going forward there will not be evidence one way or the other
> > as long as luddites like you reject findings of science.

> The Standard Model is science. Climate modeling is curve fitting.

What is the mass of the Higgs?

... There is no underlying science. And for good reason.
> Climatic processes are chaotic and our physics does not handle chaotic
> dynamics and turbulence at all well. We can't solve the Navier Stokes
> equation. The best we can do is numerical estimation.

Tou still haven't commented on my mention of the law
of large numbers.

> Contrast Boyle's Law (curve fitting) with Boltzman's Statistical
> Mechanics. There is the difference.

Law of large numbers.

> This morning I attended a lecture by Tom Knutson, a research
> climatologistic from NOAA. His lecture was blaanced, scientific and
> reasonable. He included all the error bars. He showed variances in
> various models up to 10:1. Above all he stressed the uncertainty of the
> predictions and conclusions.

Can you provide some sense of where the 10:1 variance was?
Fifty years out?
Variance of 10:1 in what sense?

> He showed that the paleoclimatological models revealed that CO2 levels
> trailed temperature rises by as many as fify years.

Great. But of course there was not an industrial civilization working
back then.

> The clearly shows
> that CO2 (was) not a cause of temperature rise.

Was.

> In addition he pointed out
> that the ice-age and interglacials (about a 25,000 year cycle) match
> variances in the inclination of the earth's axis of rotation and changes
> in the eccentricity of the earth's orbit.

So? That data is factored into the models.

> In short he was doing real science (however crude), unlike the shit you
> are peddling.

He was doing science you approve of. Why is it that you
approve of these climate results and not others?

..... My god! The glaciers melted!
> All without the help of humans. The temperature rises exceeded anything
> recorded in the last 200 years. All without the help of humans.

> Do you see a message here.

No. Just an old curmudgeon blowing smoke.

> Even the most pessemistic climatic models predict a rise in oceal levels
> of of 1.5 meters. Is it time to build an ark?

Time to sell that long term sea-front investment.

Tom