humanities.philosophy.objectivism

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:33:29 -0700, vonvegas wrote:

>Mal:
> >>> It is definition (1): 'the
> >>> mental result or product of perceiving, as distinguished from the act
> >>> of perceiving; an impression or sensation of something perceived.'
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>Vonvegas:
> >> I agree. BUT HERE COMES THE IMPORTANT STUFF.
> >> 1. Is that resultant percept of which we are aware, awareness of a
> >> construction of our own making? If so, then we have Indirect Realism. Or
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> >> 2. Is that resultant percept of which we are aware, awareness of the
> >> real object? If so, then we have Direct Realism.
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> >> There is ZERO evidence in Rand's above quote that she believed that our
> >> awareness of the percept means we are aware of a *construction of our
> >> own making*.
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>Mal:
> > Of course not,
[here's the part you snipped]
..."it is a scientific, conceptual discovery."

>Vonvegas:
>Then you've just agreed with me that the the paragraph you've been
>citing all along as alleged proof of inconsistency, has no evidence to
>that effect. My job is done.

It took you this long before trying to take the easy way out.
Impressive. "My job is done" sounds like you think of yourself as some
kind of Randian superman.

Unfortunately for your claim, it does mean that we are *indirectly*
aware of a *construction of our own making,* just as I said in the
part you cleverly snipped after the comma, this awareness "is a
scientific, conceptual discovery." Rand could not have her Direct
Realism and eat it too. Those petitios just never seem to pan out, as
I say, they only work on the converts.

Such Usenet tricks like you just tried to pull off don't work with me.
Usually.

>Mal, I want nevertheless to comment on the rest, I think it worth
>discussing some more. But I'm in a time crunch now, so it's gonna be
>at least four or five days more.





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"I am afraid that I idealize Hickman and that he
might not be this at all. In fact, he probably
isn't. But it does not make any difference. If he
isn't, he could be, and that's enough."

Journals of Ayn Rand, Feb. 1928