"David Williams"
news:1207841458.916.1207832482@bayman.org...
>-> > There have been many cases where machines have appeared to work
> -> > perpetually without any energy input. Only when sceptics dismantled
> -> > them were the concealed batteries, etc., discovered.
>
> -> That is cheating. We are not on about cheating here.
>
> Unfortunately, we are on about cheating. People cheat to get investment
> dollars. They make machines that appear to be producing perpetual
> energy so as to get people to invest in them (and also to get
> publicity, and various other benefits). Gullible investors pay up.
> Plenty of people have lost money that way.
We all know that.......again..."We are not on about cheating here".