alt.energy.renewable

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"News" wrote in message news:fti27g$73e$6@aioe.org...
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> "Morris Dovey" wrote in message
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>> News wrote:
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>>> "Morris Dovey" wrote in message
>>> news:47F56D74.520E5AA@iedu.com...
>>> > News wrote:
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>>> >> Again. The point is the energy not the capital; cost of building the
>>> >> wheel.
>>> >
>>> > I'm so pleased you see it that way. I have a prospective customer
>>> > with an immediate need for a 90 hp solar-powered irrigation
>>> > pumping system. May I refer them to you to provide that system at
>>> > a cost that all parties can agree is negligable?
>>> >
>>> > I'm sure they'll be appreciative...
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>>> You see life through a dollar bill. If a machine runs with no cost to
>>> the
>>> energy that runs it, it is a "free energy" machine. You appear not to
>>> understand.
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>> I'm in the business of manufacturing devices that operate on
>> "free" solar energy - and can assure you that I understand (right
>> down to the last penny!) how much access to that energy without
>> costs.
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>> It's the same principle as "marriage is _the_ most expensive way
>> to get your laundry done free." :-)
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> Again....the energy to run the machine is "free". Get it? Nah, keep
> looking in the till and admiring your dollar bills.
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It's free only in the sense that the energy in coal in the ground is "free"
It's there for effort of getting it. So it costs money to get it out of the
ground and utilise it?- just as it costs money to collect solar, hydro and
wind energy. All plant needs maintainance and other operating costs as well
as capital cost. So, when considering the cost of any source one must
consider both operating and capital costs as well as other costs such as
social and environmental. No-one seriously planning any plant doesn't
consider all these costs as it boils down to getting X units of energy over
the lifetime of the plant for a cost of Y where Y will definitely be
non-zero.

Again- if you want to talk about renewable sources- do so- just don't call
them "free". The advantage that they have is not that they are "free" -which
they definitely not-but that they are not depleted over time (at least any
time that we and our distant descendants would be concerned with) and don't
make nasty smoke and CO2.
However, you are free to make your own definition of the word "free" in this
context but as you see from the reaction, nobody agrees with your usage of
the term. --

Don Kelly dhky@shawcross.ca
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