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"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Mar 28, 5:32 am, Cato wrote:
> On Mar 27, 1:52 am, Fran wrote:
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> > On Mar 27, 4:00 pm, Cato wrote:
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> > > On Mar 27, 1:47 am, "V-for-Vendicar"
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> > > wrote:
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> > > > Still don't know the difference between climate and winter
> > > > Bonzo.
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> > > Reply:
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> > > NOAA: Coolest Winter Since 2001 for U.S., Globe
> > > March 13, 2008
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> > > The average temperature across both the contiguous U.S. and the
> > > globe
> > > during climatological winter (December 2007-February 2008) was the
> > > coolest since 2001, according to scientists at NOAA's National
> > > Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
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> > > Hey Vendicar... notice please the word...
> > > "climatological"
> > > in the statement from .........
> > > http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080313_coolest.html
> > > the NOAA website.
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> > ||||
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> > 2007 Was Tied as Earth's Second-Warmest Year This still from
> > the animation presented shows the temperature anomalies that were
> > present during 2007.
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> REPLY:
> 2007 tied as Earth's second warmest year???
> Are you sure???
> Please give me a couple of cites.
>
> Perhaps you would like to rephrase that statement Fran
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> Do you know they are discovering remains of forests as the
> glaciers melt back? Must have been pretty warm 7000 years ago. (The
> age of the ice buried trees they are discovering) Fran,guess what?
> The Polar Bears, penguins, and mankind survived it.
>
> How about the Medieval Warm Period?
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> Byt the way.... China is now the worlds biggest producer of
> CO2.... and getting bigger all the time..... Lets go after the biggest
> produce of CO2 first... that is, if we are really serious about
> stopping Global Warming.
>
> However, if the real goal is attacking the industrial nations
> economies.... then by all means go after the U.S., Canada, Europe,
> Australia, Japan etc.
>
> Leave China alone.... ignore China and India .... right?

Well, there's this:

Earth just experienced its warmest Northern Hemisphere winter on
record, according to statistics released today by the National
Climatic Data Center.
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HUH??????

Coldest Winter For Decades In Northern Hemisphere

Phil Brennan

February 19, 2008

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/global_warming_or_cooling/2008/02/19/73798.htmlAre the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are thereports just a lot of scaremongering by the advocates of the globalwarming theory?Scaremongering appears to be the case, according to reports from theU.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that revealthat almost all the allegedly “lost” ice has come back. A NOAA reportshows that ice levels which had shrunk from 5 million square miles inJanuary 2007 to just 1.5 million square miles in October, are almostback to their original levels.Moreover, a Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that thereis nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging theglobal warming crusaders and buttressing arguments of skeptics who denythat the world is undergoing global warming.The Daily express recalls the photograph of polar bears clinging on to amelting iceberg which has been widely hailed as proof of the need tofight climate change and has been used by former Vice President Al Goreduring his "Inconvenient Truth" lectures about mankind’s alleged impacton the global climate.Gore fails to mention that the photograph was taken in the month ofAugust when melting is normal. Or that the polar bear population hassoared in recent years.As winter roars in across the Northern Hemisphere, Mother Nature seemsto have joined the ranks of the skeptics.As the Express notes, scientists are saying the northern Hemisphere hasendured its coldest winter in decades, adding that snow cover across thearea is at its greatest since 1966. The newspaper cites the oneexception - Western Europe, which had been basking in unseasonably warmweather, until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10 Cin some places.Around the world, vast areas have been buried under some of the heaviestsnowfalls in decades. Central and southern China, the United States, andCanada were hit hard by snowstorms. In China, snowfall was so heavy thatover 100,000 houses collapsed under the weight of snow.Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman, and northern Saudi Arabia report theheaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. In Afghanistan,snow and freezing weather killed 120 people. Even Baghdad had asnowstorm, the first in the memory of most residents.AFP news reports icy temperatures have just swept through south China,stranding 180,000 people and leading to widespread power cuts just asthe area was recovering from the worst weather in 50 years, thegovernment said Monday. The latest cold snap has taken a severe toll inusually temperate Yunnan province, which has been struck by heavysnowfalls since Thursday, a government official from the provincialdisaster relief office told AFP.Twelve people have died there, state Xinhua news agency reported, andfour remained missing as of Saturday.An ongoing record-long spell of cold weather in Vietnam's northernregion, which started on Jan. 14, has killed nearly 60,000 cattle,mainly bull and buffalo calves, local press reported Monday. By Feb. 17,the spell had killed a total of 59,962 cattle in the region, including7,349 in the Ha Giang province, 6,400 in Lao Cai, and 5,571 in Bac Canprovince, said Hoang Kim Giao, director of the Animal HusbandryDepartment under the Vietnamese Ministry of Agriculture and RuralDevelopment, according to the Pioneer newspaper.In Britain the temperatures plunged to -10 C in central England,according to the Express, which reports that experts say that Februarycould end up as one of the coldest in Britain in the past 10 years withthe freezing night-time conditions expected to stay around a frigid -8 Cuntil at least the middle of the week. And the BBC reports that a buscompany's efforts to cut global warming emissions have led to servicesbeing disrupted by cold weather.Meanwhile Athens News reports that a raging snow storm that blanketedmost of Greece over the weekend and continued into the early morninghours on Monday, plunging the country into sub-zero temperatures. Theagency reported that public transport buses were at a standstill onMonday in the wider Athens area, while ships remained in ports, publicservices remained closed, and schools and courthouses in the moreseverely-stricken prefectures were also closed.Scores of villages, mainly on the island of Crete, and in theprefectures of Evia, Argolida, Arcadia, Lakonia, Viotia, and theCyclades islands were snowed in.More than 100 villages were snowed-in on the island of Crete andtemperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn, while the coldesttemperatures were recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina,where they plunged to -12 C.Temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn, while the coldesttemperatures were recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina,where they plunged to -12 C.If global warming gets any worse we'll all freeze to death.© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.Warmest RegardsBonzo"The question scientists should now be asking is not how much it willwarm over the next 50 to 100 years, but why has it warmed so littleduring the major carbon dioxide buildup?" Patrick J. Michaels,Environmental Scientist , University of Virginia