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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" wrote in message
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> On Feb 17, 7:14 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
>> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" wrote in
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>> > On Feb 17, 6:53 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
>> >> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" wrote in
>> >> messagenews:e7a04673-c5c0-4c6c-9790-48814bc8554f@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> > On Feb 17, 2:17 pm, "SumBuny" wrote:
>> >> >> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" wrote in
>> >> >> messagenews:fc5a44ed-f535-4c6c-a331-d3d201bd6089@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> >> > On Feb 16, 4:57 pm, "SumBuny" wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" wrote in
>> >> >> >> messagenews:5594d749-4f15-4844-8990-a296e018807e@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> >> >> > On Feb 16, 2:07 pm, "SumBuny"
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> messagenews:cad38d7d-7eac-46e8-b587-06e1da74ac69@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 12, 10:16 pm, "teachrmama"
>> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> >> messagenews:1c2b871f-1901-4f56-9c15-3616478242fe@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 3:06 pm, "teachrmama"
>> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> messagenews:3f28bf2d-bc04-4674-ac98-4657b9ef88aa@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> >> >> >> >> > Heaven forbid you should support teaching kids TO do
>> >> >> >> >> >> > math
>> >> >> >> >> >> > or
>> >> >> >> >> >> > read
>> >> >> >> >> >> > books, right? After all, we are not here to force them
>> >> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> >> > do
>> >> >> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> >> >> > just teach mechanics of it...right? That was your
>> >> >> >> >> >> > point,
>> >> >> >> >> >> > here?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Absolutely right, Kenneth!! And the light goes on. I
>> >> >> >> >> >> teach
>> >> >> >> >> >> children
>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> mechanica of reading. I work very hard to do that at
>> >> >> >> >> >> school
>> >> >> >> >> >> Whether
>> >> >> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> >> >> they become readers at home is a *chioce* they make. I
>> >> >> >> >> >> give
>> >> >> >> >> >> them
>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> tools.
>> >> >> >> >> >> They decide when an how to use them. Wow--you are finally
>> >> >> >> >> >> getting
>> >> >> >> >> >> it.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Got it. You do not teach kids to read, write, or do math,
>> >> >> >> >> > by
>> >> >> >> >> > your
>> >> >> >> >> > confession. I guess that is the difference, here. Their
>> >> >> >> >> > success
>> >> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> >> > doing those things is what I deem my own success as a
>> >> >> >> >> > teacher.
>> >> >> >> >> > You
>> >> >> >> >> > are just there to ...what...get a paycheck?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> The sound of a concept going overhead.....
>>
>> >> >> >> >> What is the difference between teaching someone "how" to do
>> >> >> >> >> something
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> someone choosing to do that thing?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Teachermama teaches her students *how* to read...whether her
>> >> >> >> >> students
>> >> >> >> >> choose
>> >> >> >> >> to use those skills at home on their own (i.e., whether they
>> >> >> >> >> "read
>> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> pleasure" rather than watching tv, playing computer, etc.) is
>> >> >> >> >> their
>> >> >> >> >> choice....I have seen that in my own family. My husband, my
>> >> >> >> >> children,
>> >> >> >> >> myself--we all have the ability to read (we have been taught
>> >> >> >> >> how
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> do
>> >> >> >> >> so).
>> >> >> >> >> Now, not all of us *choose* to do so. I am the "bookworm" of
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> family--I
>> >> >> >> >> read for pleasure, having an extensive library (my chosen
>> >> >> >> >> genre
>> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> sic
>> >> >> >> >> fi/fantasy, but I have some books in other areas as well).
>> >> >> >> >> My
>> >> >> >> >> husband
>> >> >> >> >> does
>> >> >> >> >> not choose to read for pleasure, but does have a rather large
>> >> >> >> >> computer
>> >> >> >> >> programming selection for his job. My sons do some
>> >> >> >> >> reading--younger
>> >> >> >> >> son
>> >> >> >> >> has
>> >> >> >> >> discovered some interest in fiction; he might develop a
>> >> >> >> >> passion
>> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> it,
>> >> >> >> >> he
>> >> >> >> >> might not.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> The same thing goes for other areas of life as well. I might
>> >> >> >> >> know
>> >> >> >> >> *how*
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> change the oil in my car--it does not mean I choose to do it
>> >> >> >> >> myself...I
>> >> >> >> >> might consider it worth my money to pay someone else to do it
>> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> me
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Does that mean my father failed as a teacher because I chose
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> pay
>> >> >> >> >> someone
>> >> >> >> >> else to do it instead? No, I still remember how to do it,
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> >> money
>> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> tight that particular quarter, I can still do it myself...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Good teachers give their students the skills to make
>> >> >> >> >> *choices*...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>>
>> >> >> >> > Like money management.
>>
>> >> >> >> No...like saving money, *if* that is what they choose to do with
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> skills
>> >> >> >> they were taught....
>>
>> >> >> >> You can lead a horse to water--but we have been through this
>> >> >> >> before,
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> came up gasping, with lungs full of water, because you refused
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> drink...
>>
>> >> >> > So, you cannot be said to teach them to read, write, do math, or
>> >> >> > anything else, either...since they can reject those skills, too.
>> >> >> > Right?
>>
>> >> >> LOL....for someone who is insistant that others are accurate in
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> reading comprehension and are that we are supposed to take his
>> >> >> posts
>> >> >> *literally*...this one seems to be indicating that I am already a
>> >> >> certified
>> >> >> teacher who is teaching in the field...when I have posted in this
>> >> >> thread
>> >> >> (and others) that this is not yet true.
>>
>> >> >> What I have posted concerns others who are already in the field,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> teaching us how to be teachers...if that is what you are choosing
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> do
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> your skills. Is that what you are choosing to do with yoru skills?
>>
>> >> > Can you answer the question or not? If you claim we cannot teach
>> >> > saving money, since we cannot know if they will use the money
>> >> > management skills or not; you must, likewise, apply that to EVERY
>> >> > other subject field (Math, English, etc). Thus, we cannot teach
>> >> > kids
>> >> > to read, to do math, etc, since they may not use the skills we
>> >> > teach...right?
>>
>> >> Can you answer the question or not? Are you going to give us some
>> >> practical lessons that you plan to teach in this area?
>>
>> > You tell me. One moment you are disagreeing with something specific I
>> > said. Then, you claim I have provided no specifics. Make up your
>> > mind.
>>
>> Didn't think you could, oh-flinger-of-obfuscations.
>
> Speaking of obfuscations, want to make up your mind? Did I provide
> specifics or not?

Silly little boy, it is no use talking to you because you refuse to answer
the one question I have repeatedly asked. *How, specifically, do you intend
to teach children to save money if you ever find yourself actually teaching
in a classroom?* Until you answer that one simple question, do not ask me
any more questions.
>
> Kenneth Clifton
> christiansuperhero.com