alt.education

On Feb 21, 6:02 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> In article <20ecb00f-50f7-4254-9334-8a6b7dd82...@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder writes:
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> > On Feb 21, 5:10 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > > In article <03226c87-8003-43d0-81eb-fcde0653a...@p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder writes:
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> > > > On Feb 21, 12:02 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > > > > In article <677f0e07-c6d7-4ad3-bca8-79819bf9a...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder writes:
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> > > > > > Texas just got a dose of optimism and common sense. Huckabee came to
> > > > > > town....
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> > > > > > http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=26...@ktvt.dayport.com
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> > > > > > I'm always amazed at the speeches of Mike Huckabee. The biggest
> > > > > > reason for amazement is that his message makes you feel better about
> > > > > > yourself and feel optimistic about the future. The other candidates
> > > > > > sell themselves by fear and doom projections. Mike sells himself by
> > > > > > encouraging faith in yourself, your family, and your country. It
> > > > > > never hurts to thrown in a "city on a hill" reference or two, either.
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> > > > > > The second thing that always stands out to me is how much common sense
> > > > > > Huckabee makes. His fair tax support would mean that EVERYONE would
> > > > > > pay taxes (including illegals) by paying sales tax. Right now,
> > > > > > illegals skip taxes, and everyone else pays their taxes for them. So,
> > > > > > if we had a fair tax, we wouldn't have to pay THEIR taxes and could
> > > > > > pay less, per individual. Next, instead of taxing (penalizing)
> > > > > > productivity by taxing higher those that work more, we could tax
> > > > > > people by consumption. This means that those that can afford to buy
> > > > > > more (the rich) would PAY MORE,
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> > > > > and that those who least have the ability to buy even the
> > > > > minimum necessities would find themselves in even more
> > > > > desperate straits. What to choose this week: food, or
> > > > > getting the prescription filled?
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> > > > > What Would Jesus Do?
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> > > > Jesus paid taxes. Read the Scripture.
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> > > Don't need to; I know that part by heart.
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> > > But would Jesus raise taxes on the poor, which is
> > > what Huckabee's proposal would do?
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> > > -- cary
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> > Jesus view on taxes...
> > Matthew 17:24-27 "And when they were come to Capernaum, they that
> > received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master
> > pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house,
> > Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the
> > kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or
> > of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto
> > him, Then are the children free. Notwithstanding, lest we should
> > offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the
> > fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou
> > shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and
> > thee."
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> > So, first, Jesus said it should be foreigners paying taxes, not
> > residents.
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> No, Jesus asks if this is the way secular powers set things
> up; He did not indicate approval or disapproval.
>
> And of course Jesus elsewhere demands that we take in strangers,
> on risk of hellfire if we do not. Should Huckabee mandate a system
> wherein we will all be bivouacing immigrants, because that's
> the way Jesus wanted things?
>
> > However, he paid taxes, being poor. So, following Jesus
> > example, the poor should pay taxes.
>
> I didn't ask you if the poor should pay; I asked if Jesus
> would *raise* taxes in a way that would further aggravate
> the plight of the desperate poor.
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> And of course, the poor DO pay taxes already; 45 of the 50
> states currently have sales taxes.
>
> In any event, Jesus also provided a miracle which would allow
> the poor to pay. What's Huckabee's proposal on providing
> miraculous relief for the poor?
>
> > Following Jesus words, foreigners should pay taxes,
>
> No, Jesus asks how things are currently done by those
> in charge; He does not indicate that this is ideal.
>
> > which Huckabee's plan will do (as tourists and
> > illegals buy items) but the current tax code does not.
>
> -- cary

We'll see who the public thinks is a better example of Christ as thing
progress, the evangelical preacher turned politician or the candidate
that hardly mentions faith and supports embryonic experimentation.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com