alt.education

"CB" wrote in message
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> "Seon Ferguson" wrote in message
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>>> Thomas Jefferson was writing to the Danbury Baptist Church.
>>>
>>> That letter reads:
>>>
>>> Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists
>>> The Final Letter, as Sent
>>> To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a
>>> committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of
>>> Connecticut.
>>>
>>> Gentlemen
>>>
>>> The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so
>>> good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist
>>> association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a
>>> faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in
>>> proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the
>>> discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
>>>
>>> Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between
>>> Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his
>>> worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, &
>>> not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the
>>> whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make
>>> no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
>>> exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church &
>>> State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in
>>> behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere
>>> satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to
>>> man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in
>>> opposition to his social duties.
>>>
>>> I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the
>>> common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your
>>> religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
>>>
>>> ______
>>>
>>> The USSC 'has' legislated law from the bench that does just what the
>>> Constitution prohibits! Men in black robes have prohibited the free
>>> exercise thereof, thus building a legal wall of separation between faith
>>> based groups from renting public buildings in free association..
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>> That letter proves my point. If Public School's were allowed to teach
>> Religion or force children from other Religions or even Atheist children
>> to pray in public school's that would breach the separation of church and
>> state the great man was talking about. Because public schools are part of
>> the state. Or would you have America turn into a Religious police state
>> like Saudi Arabia? only with Christian police instead of Islamic ones? Oh
>> and btw I think Jefferson is dead right about his views on Religion.
>> Religion is a personal relationship between a man and his God. Men have
>> no right to force that personal relationship onto others like what would
>> happen if Jewish children were forced to attend mass in a public school.
>
> Your relative moral equivalence between followers of Jesus and those of
> Mohammad the child molester noted.
>
>>
I was using an example but when you put it that way yes Christianity is just
as insane as Islam.

>>>>> Which Party is substitutiong the family unit, mother/father with homo
>>>>> relative partnership?
>>>>>
>>>> Paranoid right wing propaganda. Jesus taught us to love thy neighbors.
>>>> you would have the school system teach children to hate Homosexuals and
>>>> Lesbians as much as you do.
>>>
>>> You're a loon. The behavior of homo sex is the sin. Don't you believe in
>>> shaming poor choice? The consequence of poor choices leads to
>>> irresponsibility. One only has to look at the Democrat Party base made
>>> up of whining factions of poor choice trying to get from gubment what
>>> they can't do for them selves due to a lifetime of Progressive poor
>>> choices, namely 'keeping it zipped' so to create a life worth living
>>> without the burden of out of wedlock births.
>>>
>> I don't believe in sin at all. Sin is just a word made up by the church
>> to make humans feel guilty about things as natural as sexual desire. It
>> seems to have worked on you. Oh and I think forcing your children to obey
>> your made up fairy tales is one of the most hideous forms of child abuse
>> I can imagine. Also the Democrats weren't whining when they voted to give
>> Bush the power to declare war on Saddam.
>>
>>> I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin and those who defend the sin as
>>> moral.
>>>
>> Well you hate something that doesnt exist then.
>
> Heh...you don't exist, thanks
>
>>
Wow what a witty comeback. You sure showed me.

>>> That's really Chastain of you. Or maybe you want to
>>>> shelter your children so when they grow up and a friend tells them
>>>> there gay they wont understand at all?
>>>
>>> Everone knows what being Homosexual means. The campaign is to accept the
>>> behavior as normal when we all know it's dysfuctional to a health family
>>> life.
>>>
>>>>
>> The problem is that unless children are taught to hate gays as much as
>> you fundies hate them you will always come up with nut job paranoid
>> conspiracy theories like this.
>
> Booga booga
>
>>
What a great counter argument.

>>>>> How many of you Libs want America to fall in to Communism where all
>>>>> your needs will be dictated by gubment?
>>>>>
>>>> So anyone who disagrees with Bush and the mighty divine Christian right
>>>> is automatically a Commie in your eyes?
>>>
>>> One tell tail sign or a lost argument is to go to the extreme.
>>>
>>> Axing foe gubment to bail out people who accept offers like ARM loans,
>>> in providing fwee healt cay to people who eat to obesity and endless
>>> other programs that reward bad behavior is the road to which communism
>>> rides. Freedom of choice means to accept responsibility, even if it
>>> means ones health suffers.
>>>
>>> Whose responsible for getting knocked (poor choice) up, societies? Whose
>>> responsible for poor eatting habits, McDonnald's? Whose reponsible for
>>> living beyond ones means, the banks?
>>>
>>> Government isn't your momma. Left up to whiners complaining about the
>>> poor choices they've made, Obama and Hillary will lead America down the
>>> path to, incremental Communism. Already big oil is being threatened for
>>> being so profitable, little do people know it's gubment who's the
>>> biggest threat with its collective $1.50+ tax on every gallon of fuel.
>>>
>>> Hospitals cannot refuse to treate people who cannot pay their bills. How
>>> can a health care providers afford that? You want lower healthcare
>>> costs? Cut off those who cannot pay their bills!!! That'll instill
>>> responsibility real fast, especially in having children out of wedlock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>> Again Hilary voted for the war, she is pro war just like McCain and your
>> neocon hero's
>
> "Neither philosophy, nor religion, nor morality, nor wisdom, nor
> interest will ever govern nations or parties against their vanity,
> their pride, their resentment or revenge, or their avarice or
> ambition. Nothing but force and power and strength can restrain them."
> --John Adams
>
Well he was right about not allowing Religion or philosophy govern the
people.

> The American people are responsible for all those things you
>> asked about. If they didnt let things get that bad those buisnesses would
>> be out of buisness. Or would you have us believe the evil commie
>> Democrats (who voted for the war) meet in dark rooms behind closed doors
>> and discuss how there going to continue there Marxist agenda? lol
>>
>>
>>>>> How many of you Libs went to see, "Juno" and like it?
>>>>>
>>>> Whats Juno?
>>>>
>>>>> 4 Out of 10 U.S. Births Out of Wedlock
>>>>> http://www.christianpost.com/article/20061122/23613.htm
>>>>> --
>>>>> CB
>>>>> "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common
>>>>> good."
>>>>> --Senator Hillary Clinton 2004
>>>>> Karl Marx Manifesto of the Communist Party 1848
>>>>>
>>>>> Hillary's another matter. Hillary is a Leona Helmsley - a woman
>>>>> driven by personal ambition and utterly ruthless in achieving her
>>>>> goals. She's a micromanager and totally deaf to her underlings - and
>>>>> you, the left, would be her underlings. I really think you'd enjoy
>>>>> the experience even less than the right. We may wind up chained to
>>>>> the oars down below in her personal barge on the Potomic just like
>>>>> you, but we can always say, "See I Told You So!"....Clint Hunter
>>>>>
>>>> Hillary Clinton along with her Democratic buddies voted to give Bush
>>>> the power to declare war. She is a war monger just like the rest of you
>>>> and the fact that your to blind to see that is just well, sad.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Saddamn in time would have become the monster he 'was' to his own
>>> people. The UNSC knew this but were bribed with oil revenue in the Oil
>>> for Food program. Saddamn's game of fooling the infidel was working.
>>> President Bush wasn't fooled, thank God.
>>>
>> And apparently neather was Hilary, John Edwards, John Kery or the rest of
>> the scum bags who voted to give Bush the power to declare war on Saddam.
>> Oh yeah and Saddam wasnt such a monster in the 80's when the US supported
>> him. They even supported him when he invaded Iran.
>
> Times change
> --
What's the difference between Saddam invading Iran in the 80's and him
invading Kuwait in the 90's?
Times have not changed with Hillary. She's just appearing anti war to appeal
to the voters.