alt.education

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

>Jd wrote:
>>>But your documentation is irrelevant, since any mention of religion in
>>>any state law is unconstitutional and therefore meaningless.
>>
>>Not so. The point is that the founding fathers believed in God
>
>Your citing state constitutions doesn't support that point, since very
>few Founders wrote state constitutions.

Why not? Since the founding fathers undeniably professed a belief that God was involved in the
founding of America, why would you think it odd that all of the sate Constitutions referenced a
belief in God?

Your reasoning escapes me.

>Indeed nothing you can cite can indicate what someone *believes*.
>This is something you simply don't get: words prove nothing about
>belief. That is why "In God We Trust" was permitted to remain - they
>call it ceremonial deism - words that don't actually mean anything,
>and even if they did, the "god" that they invoke is so generic as to
>be nondenominational, as opposed to the very denominational God of the
>Bible.

If that's truely the case then your above assertions may not actually be indicative of what you
believe. That's the problem with relying on hearsay and gossip as you do. Your conclusions cannot be
explained in a way that is acceptable to the common man.

>>and that God helped establish America.
>
>No words could prove that either. Belief is not reality.

So if I put my trust and belief in your opinion I may actually end up not living in reality?

So far, my opinion is that you are living in non-reality.

>>>>and you've have not wrt any of yours. In a
>>>>court of law I would win and you would be laughed at.
>>>
>>>Everyone is laughing at YOU idiot.
>>
>>Badgering. You have no proof of what "everyone" is doing.
>
>I have common sense, something you lack.

Merely your "belief" which is as you've stated "not reality".

>>I'm the one who has provided historical documentation
>
>that doesn't prove what you claim it proves.

Living in "non-reality" where words mean nothing, how can you determine whether or not I've proven
anything?

Bob, I'm aware that you're trying to apply a philosophical approach to some very serious issues
but so far, it isn't working.

>>This experiment is basically over. I've proven to myself
>
>Whoopie for you.

Brilliant!

>>"Virtually every one of the 55 writers and signers of the United States Constitution were members of
>>various Christian denominations:
>
>That is because such membership was required by law, idiot.
>
>lojbab

What law? References please.

Jd