alt.education

"Jd" skrev i en meddelelse
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> thomas p. wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jd" skrev i en meddelelse
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>>> thomas p. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jd" skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>news:rbugt3lb5u5gbvdp555ufrpa3sinjv7ng1@4ax.com...
>>>>> Bob LeChevalier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jd wrote:
>>>>>>>Hundreds upon thousands of official documents dealing with the
>>>>>>>founding
>>>>>>>of America show that the
>>>>>>>founders were of the Judeo-Christian persuasion,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is no such thing as the "Judeo-Christian persuasion". Being of
>>>>>>English descent, they were of a culture that had elements based on
>>>>>>Protestant Christian culture (and others based on pagan cultures),
>>>>>>which in turn was based in part on medieval Catholic Christian
>>>>>>culture, which in turn had elements of Greek, Roman, Jewish and
>>>>>>Egyptian and pagan cultures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Having a cultural background tied to Christianity doesn't make them
>>>>>>Christians. Being Christian doesn't make their culture especially
>>>>>>Judeo-Christian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dr. Donald S. Lutz, a professor of political philosophy at the
>>>>>>>University of Houston, conducted a
>>>>>>>massive groundbreaking study in which he examined some 15,000
>>>>>>>documents
>>>>>>>written during America's
>>>>>>>founding era. He and his research associate, Dr. Charles Hyneman,
>>>>>>>found
>>>>>>>that a third of the
>>>>>>>quotations in these documents were from the Bible."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>People quote Shakespeare a lot too. Does that mean that they worship
>>>>>>the Bard?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"According to Lutz, the U.S. Constitution is a political document
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the product of a
>>>>>>>constitution-making tradition that can be traced to colonial charters
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>which is modeled on the
>>>>>>>biblical covenant-a solemn agreement between God and man."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Colonial charters were a solemn agreement between king and subject.
>>>>>>Anything beyond that is speculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes they did. Now how about the document that established the US?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What, the Declaration of Idependence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Constitution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Declaration was just political propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a Christian document which acknowledges that Jesus is the judge
>>>>> of
>>>>> all mankind.
>>>>
>>>>It does not even mention Jesus.
>>>
>>> Jesus is the Judge of all humans, therefore it does refer to Him. It is
>>> a
>>> Christian command to
>>> preach that Jesus is indeed the Supreme Judge of mankind, and his
>>> resurrection proved that He was
>>> who he said he was.
>>
>>That is your belief. The document does not mention Jesus.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Acts 10:42 "And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to
>>> testify
>>> that it is he which
>>> was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead."
>>>
>>> In fact, the founding fathers were actually appealing to Judge Jesus to
>>> help them free America from
>>> the English King who had assumed the title of "Defender of the Faith" .
>>>
>>> "We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in
>>> General Congress, assembled,
>>> appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our
>>> intentions, do, in the name,
>>> and by authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish
>>> and declare, That these
>>> United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent
>>> States..." Declaration of
>>> Independence July 4, 1776)
>>
>>And neither Jesus nor the Bible are mentioned.
>>
>>>
>>> Jd
>>>
>>> "Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that
>>> breaketh the rock in pieces?"
>>> (Jeremiah 23:29)
>>>
>>
>>A man wrote that. The US Constitution forbids the US government to
>>recognize any religion.
>
> The entire civilized world officially recognizes Christianity as the
> dominant religion by adotinf
> it's calendar.

By the same token Caesar Augustus is recognized as a god. In the meantime
the US Constitution forids the US government to recognize any religion.


>
> Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi ("In the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ"),
> commonly shortened to Anno
> Domini ("In the Year of the Lord"), abbreviated as AD or A.D., is the
> designation used to number
> years in the Christian Era, conventionally used with the Julian and
> Gregorian calendars. It defines
> an epoch based on the traditionally-reckoned year of the birth of Jesus.
> BC (Before Christ) is now
> usually used to denote years before Anno Domini years in English.
>
> This Christian era is currently dominant all around the world in both
> commercial and scientific use.
> Presently, it is the common, international standard, recognised by
> international institutions such
> as the United Nations and the Universal Postal Union.


Actually "Current Era" is now the recognized standard, not that it makes the
slightest difference.

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini
>
> But again you fail to acknowledge the historical fact that the founding
> fathers admitted that God
> had a hand in setting up America.
>
> Why do you do that? i'll tell you why.... it's "denial" plain and simple.
>
> Jd
>

Why do you continue to lie? I have never once denied that a number of the
fouding fathers have made spositive statements about Christianity or god.
You are the one who continues to ignore that the Constitution forbids the
government to recognize any religion, and that is the law not what somebody
said in a speech or a letter.