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"Jd" skrev i en meddelelse
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> thomas p. wrote:
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>>"Jd" skrev i en meddelelse
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>>> thomas p. wrote:
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>>>>"Jd" skrev i en meddelelse
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>>>>> thomas p. wrote:
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>>>>>> So, once again, no matter what some of the founders thought or said,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> country was established on firmly
>>>>>>secular grounds.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't make any sense. The founding fathers founded the country
>>>>> so
>>>>> it does indeed matter what
>>>>> they said and thought. Undoubtedly, they thought God had a hand in
>>>>> founding the Nation since
>>>>> afterall, that is what they said.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What they actually wrote down and that became accepted as the founding
>>>>document for the US is what matters. Some of the founders you talk
>>>>about
>>>>were deists, not Christians. Some rejected the divinity of Jesus (all
>>>>the
>>>>deists and some of the others). Some were Christians. The document
>>>>itself
>>>>reflected the thoughts of men such as Montesquieu, Dederot, Voltaire,
>>>>Rousseau, none of these were Christians; and no part of the document is
>>>>Christian; it is purely secular.
>>>
>>> What document are you referring to? There are a plethora of documents
>>> which do indeed mention God.
>>>
>>> If you are referring to the US Constitution, vitually all 55 of the
>>> authors/signers were Christians
>>> of one denomination or another....
>>
>>And absolutely no part of the document is Christian. It reflects the
>>thinking of the 18'th century Enlightenment. I and others have pointed
>>this
>>out repeatedly, and you repeatedly ignore it. Whether or not all the
>>signers were Christians is irrelevant, and all of them were not. It is
>>not
>>a Christian document anymore than a contract between two businessmen is a
>>Christian document, even if both of them are Christian.
>

> It matters not what you say or think. The founding fathers stated that
> America was founded on
> Christian principles. This is a matter of historical fact. To deny it is
> to admit ignorance wrt
> historical facts.

I have not denied it. I have already said that I do not deny it. The fact
remains that the founding document does not mention Christianity, any
Christian principles, or any god; and you continue to ignore that.

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