alt.education

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:45:29 +0000 in
>tt41t31tknjmda9d8t438h4a8nrmplprqq@4ax.com, Jd wrote:
>
>> thomas p. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jd" skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:g8kus3d1f4ij0nehbci4vvppisea3qhanf@4ax.com...
>>>> thomas p. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, once again, no matter what some of the founders thought or said,
>>>>> the
>>>>> country was established on firmly
>>>>>secular grounds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That doesn't make any sense. The founding fathers founded the country
>>>> so it does indeed matter what
>>>> they said and thought. Undoubtedly, they thought God had a hand in
>>>> founding the Nation since
>>>> afterall, that is what they said.
>>>
>>>
>>>What they actually wrote down and that became accepted as the founding
>>>document for the US is what matters. Some of the founders you talk
>>>about were deists, not Christians. Some rejected the divinity of Jesus
>>>(all the deists and some of the others). Some were Christians. The
>>>document itself reflected the thoughts of men such as Montesquieu,
>>>Dederot, Voltaire, Rousseau, none of these were Christians; and no part
>>>of the document is Christian; it is purely secular.
>>
>> What document are you referring to? There are a plethora of documents
>> which do indeed mention God.
>>
>> If you are referring to the US Constitution, vitually all 55 of the
>> authors/signers were Christians of one denomination or another....
>
>Oh look, he just noticed the Constitution doesn't yap about "god" so he's
>gotta make a sudden swerve into "But they said 'god' at other times!"

But it does. At least what is known as the first "American Constitution" does.....

"In the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, often called the first American Constitution, written in
1638, the drafters said, "[We] enter into a combination and confederation together to maintain and
preserve the liberty and purity of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, which we now profess." This
document recognized for the first time that mankind's rights come from God."

"Long before the United States Constitution, the colonies had written documents that established
government and citizen's rights under God's authority. The drafters of the U. S. Constitution were
aware of these documents and considered them in drafting the document. The expression of America's
early documents is unmistakably Christian. They were philosophically anchored in Biblical
principles, and the expression of the colonists in these legal documents of what became the states
was undeniably Christian. These documents recognized the existence, importance and nature of God."

http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/heritage/heritage19.html

For the upteenth time, America was founded by Christians who believed (had faith) that God was
helping them establish a new nation.

And for your information, they were not establishing a CHURCH/STATE. They were establishing a STATE
to protect the CHURCH for all practicle purposes.

The U.S. Constitution empowered the Supreme Court to rule thusly....

"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the
Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this
extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian." - United States Supreme
Court, 1892.

In addition, your constitution is inadequate due to the fact that sodomites and seculars alike have
claimed that it was intended for them when in reality it wasn't....

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the
government of any other." - John Adams

So here we are today.

Jd

"Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye
prosper". (2Chronicles 20:20)