alt.education

"Jd" skrev i en meddelelse
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> thomas p. wrote:
>
>> So, once again, no matter what some of the founders thought or said, the
>> country was established on firmly
>>secular grounds.
>

> That doesn't make any sense. The founding fathers founded the country so
> it does indeed matter what
> they said and thought. Undoubtedly, they thought God had a hand in
> founding the Nation since
> afterall, that is what they said.


What they actually wrote down and that became accepted as the founding
document for the US is what matters. Some of the founders you talk about
were deists, not Christians. Some rejected the divinity of Jesus (all the
deists and some of the others). Some were Christians. The document itself
reflected the thoughts of men such as Montesquieu, Dederot, Voltaire,
Rousseau, none of these were Christians; and no part of the document is
Christian; it is purely secular.


>
> Problem is, you can't negate what they said or thought simply because you
> don't believe in God.


I have not attempted to negate what they said, nor have I based what I have
said on the existence or non-existence of a god.

You
> cannot deny facts. The best you can do is say that the nation was founded
> on a faulty premise which
> in turn undermines the legitimacy of the nation from it's incepetion.
> Under those conditions the
> rights you claim as yours may very well be found as being illegitimate
> (since the basic premise is
> that rights come from God, not man).

That rights come from god is your claim. Since you have no evidence for any
god, and since the Constitution does not base any right on any god, you are
wrong.


>
> So..... who or where do you think your rights come from?

The legal rights of Americans are described in the founding document (with
its amendments) the US Constitution. That document does not once refer to
any god. It refers to "We the people...". Freedom of religion, of the
press etc. are certainly not rights derived from Christianity; it is
dishonest and, not least of all, grotesquely comic to make such a claim.