alt.education

re: "How many of the founding fathers were 1)muslims 2) hindus 3) buddhists or 4) wiccans?" (Jd)

thomas p. wrote:

>
>What difference does it make what they were? The Constitution is still the
>founding document. It still says nothing about any god. It still says "We
>the people" founded the nation, and that still includes people who are not
>Christian. Anybody can have a personal opinion including those called "the
>Founding Fathers". It does not change the fact that Christianity is not
>mentioned in the document or that freedom of religion, democracy etc. are
>not Judeo-Christian principles.

As I've shown, Christian Founding Fathers attributed part of the "founding" to God. That is an
undeniable fact. The non-Christian aspects you are referring to were intentionally set so as to
prevent false prophets from taking the reins of government and lording over men. One of the earliest
examples of this is seen below... a draft written by Thomas Jeffereson (whom you can see in the text
acknowledged the "Almighty God" of the Judeo-Christian faith) just 3 short years Independence Day.

------Draft for a Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom-----

Section I

"Well aware that the opinions and belief of men depend not on their own will, but follow
involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds; that Almighty God hath created the mind free,
and manifested his supreme will that free it shall remain by making it altogether insusceptible of
restraint; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments, or burthens, or by civil
incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the
plan of the holy author of our religion, who being lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to
propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do, but to extend it by its
influence on reason alone; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as
ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over
the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and
infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false
religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time..." - Thomas Jefferson, 1779

http://ahp.gatech.edu/rel_freedom_1779.html

In addition, the authors and signers of the Constitution itself were of several different Christian
demoninations ---- a fact which upholds Jefferesons draft against false prophets (seen above) taking
over government.

"Virtually every one of the 55 writers and signers of the United States Constitution were members of
various Christian denominations: 29 were Anglicans, 16 to 18 were Calvinists, 2 were Methodists, 2
were Lutherans, 2 were Roman Catholic, 1 lapsed Quaker and sometimes Anglican, and 1 open deist--Dr.
Franklin who attended every kind of Christian worship, called for public prayer, and contributed to
all denominations."

http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/heritage/heritage17.html

Before the above was penned we get a sneek preview of what was going to occur. Here from the
"Articles of Confederation" you see the name of the newly independent nation emerge, naming itself
"The United States of America".....

-----Article I-----

"The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America"."

I'll skip posting the entire document and jump to the end where they mention yet again (as in other
official documents I've posted in this thread) the involvement of God Himelf in the founding of
America.....

"And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the
legislatures we respectively represent in Congress, to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the
said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union. Know Ye that we the undersigned delegates, by
virtue of the power and authority to us given for that purpose, do by these presents, in the name
and in behalf of our respective constituents, fully and entirely ratify and confirm each and every
of the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union, and all and singular the matters and
things therein contained: And we do further solemnly plight and engage the faith of our respective
constituents, that they shall abide by the determinations of the United States in Congress
assembled, on all questions, which by the said Confederation are submitted to them. And that the
Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the
Union shall be perpetual."

"In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the State of
Pennsylvania the ninth day of July in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and
Seventy-Eight, and in the Third Year of the independence of America." - Articles of Confederation
and Perpetual Union July 9, 1778

http://ahp.gatech.edu/confederation_1778.html

Even in these days Presidents and leaders are still confessing that God is "over" America. (Hence
"One nation, under God, indivisable..." etc. seen below)

Wednesday, November 13, 2002 (A.P.) WASHINGTON - "President Bush signed into law on Wednesday a
bill reaffirming - with a slap at the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals - references to God in the
Pledge of Allegiance and national motto. Bush signed the legislation without comment. It reinforces
support for the words "under God" in the pledge, and for "In God we trust" as the national motto.
The measure was approved unanimously in the Senate and drew just five no votes in the House.
Congress rushed to act after the federal appeals court in California ruled in June that the phrase
"under God," inserted into the pledge by Congress in 1954, amounted to a government endorsement of
religion in violation of the constitutional separation of church and state. The legislation faulted
the court for its "erroneous rationale" and "absurd result."

So here you see a re-occuring theme i.e. a "perpetual union" ("one nation, under God, indivisable
etc..") as first mentioned in the Articles of Confederation.....

"And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent,
and that the Union shall be perpetual."

....and of late verified by President Bush and the U.S. Congress.

Now whether or not the U.S.A. will or should *remain* a perpetual or united land mass is another
story. Especially considering the fact that the United Nations has taken a quote from the Bible as
one of it's motto also (see vs. 3 below)....

Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall
be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people
shall flow unto it.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his
paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall
beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a
sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Problem is is that many of the great globalists (including our Presidents) want to keep Jerusalem as
an international city (as opposed to being the eternal capitol of Israel as it actually is).

more later,

Jd