alt.education

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Michael wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:05:11 -0500, buckeye wrote:
>> I've always been fascinated by the full-throated hostility many social
>> conservatives, and conservative Christians in particular, bear toward
>> the ACLU. Yes, the ACLU supports separation of church and state. But
>> it also defends religious groups on free speech and religious liberty
>> grounds.
>Thank you for this list; it helps balance the picture slightly. I suppose
>we should realize that there is no monolithic "ACLU" just as there is no
>definitive "Christian". The ACLU is lawyers, each with personal motives,
>and as you go from state to state you will find significant variety in
>what that state's ACLU considers important. Sometimes it is absurd,
>sometimes focused *against* one religion by supporting its opposition, as
>in the case of Utah.
>
>Rarely do I consider the ACLU interested in liberty per se and they are
>inherently undemocratic -- a philosophy curiously shared by the Democratic
>party (typical doublespeak, call yourself the thing you are not). I can
>recognize the value of some of the things the ACLU does, even at the same
>time recognizing that to do this they are the tail that wags the dog,
>flying in the face of nearly universal opposition (I don't know ANYONE
>that cares to remove "Ten Commandments" monuments from city parks save
>only the lawyer for the ACLU in Utah, it has become his personal crusade).
>Are there not more important battles? However, I have learned that the
>ACLU gets *paid* public money to fight against religion under a somewhat
>abused civil rights litigation cost recovery procedure.

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"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy.
But when you're inside, you look around. What do you see?
Business people, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very
minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we
do, these people are still a part of that system, and
that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most
of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many
of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the
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