alt.energy.renewable

jkka wrote:
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>>>>>>>> http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html
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>>>>>>> 60 percent of all farmable land in the world is not even utilized,
>>>>>>> till they
>>>>>>> utilize that get back to me with your pro oil agenda.
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>>>>>> Wanting to end near worldwide food protests over increasing prices
>>>>>> and in some places, shortages, is *not* "pro-oil".
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>>>>>> It surely isn't pro USA or anti bankruptcy via oil agenda thats for
>>>>>> sure. The high costs of most everything right now including corn and
>>>>>> almost everything stems for high cost of oil
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>>>>> The anti bio mass and etanol study has to be weighed by who is writing
>>>>> this mess of articles and why Like I alluded for five years the dangers
>>>>> of particulate pollution and diesel and partuclate pollution from coal
>>>>> fuel has not been written about or played out on the news so why all of
>>>>> a sudden this mass protest of bio fuels? Now is there a legitmate
>>>>> answers to my questions? These same scientiests had been nowhere when
>>>>> it came to dangers of pollution . For five years I was protesting the
>>>>> dangers. Where were these people when real us students were getting
>>>>> asthma? When every conceivable association between pollution and those
>>>>> that don't get pollution were not talked about?
>>>>> So pardon me if I don't believe given the simple fact when I look
>>>>> outside my windown traveling to the burbs most land is not utilized at
>>>>> all! AT ALL be it on private land or gov land or protect parks etc,
>>>>> most land in the US is not used for switchgrass , bio mass and bio
>>>>> fuel. I have a hard time believing all of sudden bio mass is not
>>>>> suppose to be an option and some people know its costs are too high. I
>>>>> doubt it!!!!!!!!
>>>>> How about hydrogen electircity. by the way?
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>>>> This argument has been discussed here many times, If you took every
>>>> piece of arable land in the USA it would
>>>> not be enough to grow biofuel to meet even 25% of current usage.
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>>> can you show me a link to that information. In order to deduct that logic
>>> you would have to know how every company was going to convert their
>>> biomass which of course you or they don't!!! . Would that apply to waste
>>> material and tires and sea weed or whateer they propose to use also?I
>>> have a hard time believing that line!
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>> You don't need to "know how every company was going to convert their
>> biomass". It's a simple matter
>> of amount of arable land, available water and production per acre. There
>> is also the problem of fossil fuel
>> inputs needed to keep production up. If you are really interested Google
>> the topic on Google groups.
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>>> Plus even if they can get 25 percent of our energy needs that way whats
>>> wrong with that?
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>> LOL...Because if you use every inch of land for biofuel you have none for
>> food production.
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> Your assuming I believe that figure and I don't.
> I just saw three videos about bio fuel and its incredible not one thing
> about rise in oil prices. You think thats objective
> One can easily argue which came first the rise in oil or countries who
> reacted to that rise by looking for alternatives? One can just as easily
> blame the rise in oil. Oil companies can keep rising prices and then blame
> the wheat and corn producers and have a producers say its our fault.
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If you don't believe me simply do the math yourself. Yields per acre is
easily found information, as is the amount of
biofuel/alcohol that can be generated from any crop.