alt.education

Raymond wrote:
>> >For or against is a form of religion
>>
>> No it isn't.
>
>Yes it is!

The courts don't agree, and their opinions do matter.

>>is no ones business and why children need to hear about it, is wrong.
>>
>> They "need to hear about it" because they WILL hear about it, from
>> other kids if not the teacher.  Other kids are being raised in gay
>> households.  "Heather has two Mommies" isn't a joke; it is the real
>> world.  Get used to it.
>
>No more then they need to hear about what axe murder, kills people.

If someone at the school was axe-murdered, then they would certainly
hear about it.

>Or how a child is raped.

They might hear about that too, though the child is less likely to
talk about it.

>I feel sorry for those children.

I don't, so long as they are happy.

>I never can see the meaning of two mommies

That is your limitation.

>when it has two men in the house no woman.

That would be "two daddies", but otherwise is exactly the same
situation: gay parents

>Then if one is not their birth mommy we can see they are lied to,

Ah, so you also discriminate against adopted kids as well!

>and that is all the Homosexual home can be is full of lies,

What matters is whether it is full of love, something you obviously
have no clue about.

>>because without the other sex there is no mommy or daddy,

Of course there is.

>the kids are not their children.

Of course they are.

>and with a man to man, it is not only unclean it is filthy, dirty and smelly I would
>think,

You are incapable of thinking.

>Disgustingly dirty;

Your mind seems to be that.

>> Only for those who feel religiously about it.  Those who don't feel
>> religiously about it are also part of the community.
>
>Not my community, thank God!

You don't live in the United States?

(Actually, I suspect that there are non-religious in virtually every
locale in the world..)

>> >and the gay has no right to teach their form of religion either.
>>
>> It isn't "religion" to them.  It is everyday LIFE
>
>Tell that to the Rainbow church groups that we find from time to time
>here in the newsgroups,

That there are gay church groups doesn't make being gay religious any
more than joining a church's singles group makes being single
religious.

>they are a church and say they love each other and Jesus was gay.

The Bible doesn't issue any reports on who Jesus had sex with, and it
gives no clue as to who he found sexually attractive. On the other
hand it appears that he lived with a group of 12 men, which is hardly
a normal family environment.

>They need to lie to feel better,

You are the liar, not them.

>they know their actions is sub-human.

Their actions are quite human.

>> >The point really is not about God as nothing stops the kids from
>> >hearing about homosexual or gay life,
>>
>> or anything else.  That is an inherent result of "free speech" and has
>> nothing to do with religion.  If you live in a society with free
>
>It seems we do not even have free speech as here you are telling me
>what I must believe and what I say is not important

That you have free speech does not mean that your speech is important
to anyone but you. It means that the government can't punish you for
it.

>but your words are,

My words aren't important, either.

>that is not free anything

Of course it is

>except free insults and free cursing etc.

Those are part of free speech too. Having free speech does not mean
that anyone will respect you.

>that only shows a person is really not free, but run by rules
>even if they are their own,

Being able to make your own rules is what is usually called "free
will".

>> >but they should not hear about such in school,
>>
>> You can't stop it, since kids will talk, and listen, to each other.
>
>You need to read more,

I obviously read more than you do.

>one child was removed from class because she had a cross on, another was punished for bring a bible to class, to
>read at break time.

And in such cases, court cases were brought, and the school was found
to be in the wrong.

>Lots of rules to stop kids from talking about God the Bible etc.

Sure seems to happen a lot.

>If Christian kids did have that freedom, there may
>not be so many children bringing guns to school and killing students
>and teachers.

With the kid who did the mass murders at Virginia Tech, it was noted
that he and his parents were active members of a Christian church.

I think you'd find that most of the kids who do such things were
raised as Christians.

>> As long as it stays secular in tone, I'd rather have the adults
>> counterbalancing the kid-think.
>
>Who made the rules what is or what is secular in tone?

The courts, if there is any argument. Seldom is there much argument.
Most of the rest of the English-speaking world knows what the word
secular means, even if you don't.

>I am not sure
>what you mean by counterbalancing the kid-think, I know some adults I
>would not want to be near or my children or grandchildren. Even the
>police have rules and list of such, they are adults that is for sure,
>come near my kids and they will find what a bear of an adult can do,
>then no one has to be physically hurt, but the law does make a way
>that can be used to stop them. We have town watch meetings to keep
>those kind of adults away from children. I sure most are homosexuals
>that want the children they can not born,

That paragraph was almost incomprehensible, and what little I could
make out of it was pure nonsense.

lojbab