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Darrell Stec wrote:

>:|buckeye wrote:
>:|
>:|> Darrell Stec wrote:
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>:|> Antonin Scalia v. Thomas Jefferson
>:|> Message #12373 of 12375
>:|> Re: Antonin Scalia v. Thomas Jefferson
>:|>
>:|> --- In HRSepCnS@yahoogroups.com, "buckeyeelo" wrote:
>:|>>
>:|>> From: Darrell
>:|>> Subject: Re: Antonin Scalia v. Thomas Jefferson
>:|>> Newsgroups:
>:|>
>:|> Darell says: The text specifically says that Moses was
>:|> called up to the mountain a second time for a remake of the originally
>:|> broken stones. The words are as plain as day in either English or Hebrew.
>:|>
>:|> And also: For you to be correct there
>:|> could only be ten words in any of the version.
>:|>
>:|> And also: The other two sets are not called the ten commandments.
>:|> Nowhere in scripture are those ten things about lying and
>:|> murder called the ten commandments. The only ones that specifically
>:|> say they were the commandments of the original tablets and which are
>:|> assumed by Jew and Christian alike to have been the broken ten
>:|> commandments are the ones in Exodus 34.
>:|>
>:|> And who the hell is Jim McMeans and why have you screwed around with
>:|> the sequence of the attributes and nesting of this thread?
>:|>
>:|> Jim Replies:
>:|> The purpose of this post is to share some background information on
>:|> the origin of what Christians call the Ten Commandments and what Jews
>:|> call the "Ten Words, Things or Statements".
>:|[snipped a bunch of erroneous crap that is copied on several hundred
>:|thousand websites.
>:|
>:|Repeating misinformation a million times will still not correct it the first
>:|time it was in error.
>:|


Antonin Scalia v. Thomas Jefferson
Message #12385 of 12390
Re: Antonin Scalia v. Thomas Jefferson

--- In HRSepCnS@yahoogroups.com, jmcmeans" wrote
>
> From: Darrell
> Subject: Re: Antonin Scalia v. Thomas Jefferson

In the dispute over what the original Decalogue is which raged
mightily on this site over the last few days, an intellectual dispute
which will go down in history with other such debates as the
Lincoln-Douglas, the Tennessee Evolution Court case with William
Jennings Bryant and Spencer Tracy, and Tastes Great / Less Filling, I
learned that "everyone" considers the Exodus 34 commandments to be the
original commandments which were carved on the first set of stones,
and that only Charton Heston and myself seemed to be the only ones who
sadly believed that the Exodus 20 commandments were the original
Decalogue.

As a student of knowledge and wisdom, although one who admittedly naps
or day dreams in class more than he should, I embarked on an epic
journey to discover the source of this new, at least to me, knowledge.
Therefore, I girded my loins, packed a lunch and set off on the
legendary Google Highway to see if I could discover for myself the
source for this arcane and powerful wisdom.

I first came to the land of Wikipedia, where I found learned scholars
who informed me that it was one Johann Wolfgang von Goethe who, as a
mere lad more or less, made this important discovery in 1783. Goethe
later went on to fame as a poet, philosopher and male stripper, none
of which is relevant to this topic.

At another web site which I stumbled upon in the land of Truthseeker
Co., Inc. I learned that someone named Hitzig also discovered this
important knowledge independently of Goethe. Moreover, some ancient
Greek who might be named Nestle or might not, also discovered this
knowledge but it was suppressed I suppose by the Knights Templars, the
Free Masons and the Toastmasters.

Excuse me for a moment….

I'm back. This is off topic, but if anyone is interested in the best
cheap Scotch, I recommend House of Stuart. (Not affiliated with John
Stuart or the Daily Show)

I must confess that I had always assumed that the Jewish people were
the best judges of what Ten Things constituted the original Decalogue,
seeing as how the Decalogue was a founding document in the Jewish
religion and they merely had three thousand continuous, uninterrupted
years of scholarly rabbinical tradition and study, but really, why
should that count for anything. Who do they think they are, the chosen
people or something? Just because they were there on the spot 3000
years ago when God told them what was what, why should we take their
word for it over Johann Goethe, a person who lived a mere couple
thousand years or so later.

It's no wonder that when Philo of Alexandria in 30 AD or so wrote a
treatise on the Decalogue and sent it to the Roman Emperor Caligua in
order to prove that the Jewish people were loyal Roman citizens, that
Caligua just laughed. Why that silly Philo doesn't even know what the
real Decalogue is, Philo used Exodus 20. so naturally Caligua
continued his program of persecution. If only Philo had been as smart
as Goethe and known that the Decalogue was actually that stuff in
Exodus Chapter 34 so much human suffering could have been prevented,
or maybe not.

Excuse me for a moment….

I'm back. What was I saying, oh yeah, the real Decalogue. Really, why
should the Jewish people be allowed to determine what their Decalouge
is. Who owns the Decalogue now, anyway? We Christians have renamed and
reinterpreted it, haven't we, It's no longer the Ten Words, it's now
the Ten Commandments. We know better, don't we? Don't we?

Excuse me for a moment…..





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The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
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American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

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