alt.education

Darrell Stec wrote:

>:|buckeye wrote:
>:|
>:|> Darrell
>:|>
>:|>>:|
>:|>>:|I hope you realize, Buckeye, that I was not directing my comments toward
>:|>>:|you but rather that idiot Antoinin Scalia and those of his ilk.
>:|>
>:|>
>:|> The problem, of course, is they would claim that the Ten Sound bites they
>:|> refer are not the ones you are using, thus they would ignore your entire
>:|> funny and wonderful argument
>:|>
>:|> They would say these are what they refer too
>:|>
>:|> You shall have no other gods before me
>:|> You shall not make for yourself an idol
>:|> You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God
>:|> Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
>:|> Honor your Father and Mother
>:|> You shall not murder*
>:|> You shall not commit adultery
>:|> You shall not steal
>:|> You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
>:|> You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. house, property etc
>:|>
>:|> Thus that would allow them to happily go on their way continuing to say
>:|> our
>:|> laws are based on the 10 sound bites oooops Commandments
>:|>
>:|
>:|
>:|But they would be wrong. Nowhere does it say they are the Ten Commandments
>:|nor the ones given on the original tablets. But then I could do the same
>:|write up about those other two sets they erringly think are part of the Ten
>:|Commandments too. With exactly the same results.
>:|
>:|


Posted in another forum by someone who knows something about the topic.

Antonin Scalia v. Thomas Jefferson
Message #12358 of 12358
Re: Antonin Scalia v. Thomas Jefferson

Darrell said:
Well let us review the Ten Commandments and see. First off, there are
three
sets of commandments (excluding all of the other ones in Leviticus and
Deuteronomy), none of which actually number ten. But there is only
one set
that explicitly says are exact duplicates of the commandments god wrote on
the original two tablets and they are found in Exodus 34:1 and following.

Darrell says: Exod 34:1 and Yahweh said unto Moses, hew thee two
tables of stone
like unto
the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the
first tables, which thou brakest.

~ SNIP ~

Darrell continues: 34:4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the
first; and Moses
rose up
early in the morning, and went up unto Mount Sinai, as Yahweh had
commanded
him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
~ SNIP ~

Amd Darrell says: The ones normally called the Ten Commandments by
fundamentalists, are not.


~ SNIP some more ~

ETC, ETC

I hope you realize, Buckeye, that I was not directing my comments
toward you but rather that idiot Antoinin Scalia and those of his ilk.

Later,
Darrell

Darrell

[snip]

Buckeyeelo wrote:

The problem, of course, is they would claim that the Ten Sound bites they
refer are not the ones you are using, thus they would ignore your entire
funny and wonderful argument

They would say these are what they refer too

You shall have no other gods before me
You shall not make for yourself an idol
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your Father and Mother
You shall not murder*
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. house, property etc

Thus that would allow them to happily go on their way continuing to
say our laws are based on the 10 sound bites oooops Commandments


Jim replies:

First, I found Darrell's article to be amusing also, but
unfortunately, it is based on a false premise. And I don't want to be
considered one of "them," but it is necessary to point out the
commandments that Darrell refers to are not The Ten Commandments, but
are simply ten additional commandments. One has to "strain at a gnat"
to arrive at Darrell's conclusion, when another simpler explanation
can be derived from the text.

First and most obviously, a careful reading of the text shows that the
commandments in Exodus Chapter 34 are not referred to as THE Ten
Commandments. In the first verse of Chapter 34, God says that he,
God, will write upon the stones the words which were on the first
stones which Moses broke. This refers at least at a minimum to the
original Ten Commandments, but not the words of Chapter 34, which are
new words and new commandments.

What Darrell is referring to is actually an additional part of the
Covenant which God is making with Israel, and which is continued at
great length both in the rest of the book of Exodus and in the book
of Leviticus.

When Moses first went up on Mount Sinai, God gave Moses the original
Ten Commandments but also additional laws, rules and regulations
covering over ten chapters of the book of Exodus. While no one
actually knows what was written on the first set of stones, the text
certainly seems to imply in various places that what we call the Ten
Commandments were written on the first stones. But, it's entirely
possible that the entire ten chapters from Exodus 20 to Exodus 30
were also written on the stones, Charlton Heston notwithstanding.

In verse 28, God tells Moses "Darrell's commandments," and then tells
Moses to write down the additional words. I admit that verse 29 seems
confusing in the KJ version, "and he wrote upon the tables the words
of the covenant, the ten commandments. The Complete Jewish Bible is a
more accurate translation and it says, "God wrote on the tablets the
words of the covenant, the ten words." This could simply mean that
God rewrote the words from the original stones.

Some people see contradictions in this series of verses as to who
wrote what, but the simple explanation is that God wrote the words
which were on the first stones or tables, and Moses wrote the
additional words which God told him in Chapter 34.

Before people stone me for taking "their" side, as I wrote in a
previous post, I don't believe that the Ten Commandments are a basis
for US law, and in fact, the Mosiac Ten Commandments are not even a
foundation document for Christianity.

However, no where in the Jewish or Christian tradition are "Darrell's
commandments" ever referred to as The Ten Commandments, therefore they
are not The Ten Commandments. There is only one set of Ten
Commandments, all other commandments are simply additional
commandments which were part of God's covenant with Israel, a covenant
which has since expired and been replaced by the New Christian
Covenant. Thus most informed Christians believe the Mosaic Ten
Commandments are not in force today and are moot, unless specifically
referenced in the New Testament.

Jim McMeans