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Darrell Stec wrote:

>:|PseuDoeCyAnts wrote:
>:|
>:|> on Thu 27 Mar 2008 09:44:16a
>:|> Darrell Stec posted
>:|> in news:47ebcee0$0$12590$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>:|>
>:|>> buckeye wrote:
>:|>>
>:|>>> The author of The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen
>:|>>> Colonies wouldn't agree that our laws and our government are
>:|>>> based on the Ten Commandments. Thomas Jefferson criticized the
>:|>>> notion that Christianity had any part in it. He argued that the
>:|>>> common law of England – the basis of the laws of the colonies
>:|>>> – couldn't have been influenced by Christianity, much less
>:|>>> the Ten Commandments. His argument? The common law existed in
>:|>>> England for 200 years before Christianity arrived there. His
>:|>>> conclusion? "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of
>:|>>> the common law."
>:|>>
>:|> [- snip - ]
>:|>>
>:|>> I hope you realize, Buckeye, that I was not directing my
>:|>> comments toward you but rather that idiot Antoinin Scalia and
>:|>> those of his ilk.
>:|>>
>:|>
>:|> Scalia does not desire this nation's return to its religious
>:|> foundations. In that scenario, those who swallow the Papal Bull
>:|> with the concomitant Diet of Worms, are not embraced or welcomed
>:|> in under the warm and fuzzy delusive tent of a Christian gestalt.
>:|>
>:|> Catholics were largely outcasts in Revolutionary era America,
>:|> distrusted by many, not often believed to be friends of liberty,
>:|> as they believed that a human, who headed a Christian sect,
>:|> possessed the power, sceptered divinely, to dictate laws and to
>:|> crown the heads of foreign states.
>:|>
>:|> Samuel Adams even went as far as to assert that because of this,
>:|> Roman Catholics did no even deserve their religion to be tolerated
>:|> in America.
>:|>
>:|> /=======================================================/
>:|>
>:|> "In regard to Religeon, mutual tolleration in the
>:|> different professions thereof, is what all good and
>:|> candid minds in all ages have ever practiced; and both
>:|> by precept and example inculcated on mankind: And it is
>:|> now generally agreed among christians that this spirit
>:|> of toleration in the fullest extent consistent with the
>:|> being of civil society "is the chief characteristical
>:|> mark of the true church' & In so much that Mr. Lock has
>:|> asserted, and proved beyond the possibility of
>:|> contradiction on any solid ground, that such toleration
>:|> ought to be extended to all whose doctrines are not
>:|> subversive of society. The only Sects which he thinks
>:|> ought to be, and which by all wise laws are excluded
>:|> from such toleration, are those who teach Doctrines
>:|> subversive of the Civil Government under which they
>:|> live. The Roman Catholicks or Papists are excluded by
>:|> reason of such Doctrines as these 'that Princes
>:|> excommunicated may be deposed, and those they call
>:|> Hereticks may be destroyed without mercy; besides their
>:|> recognizing the Pope in so absolute a manner, in
>:|> subversion of Government, by introducing as far as
>:|> possible into the states, under whose protection they
>:|> enjoy life, liberty and property, that solecism in
>:|> politicks, Imperium in imperio leading directly to the
>:|> worst anarchy and confusion, civil discord, war and
>:|> blood shed
>:|>
>:|>
>:|> Samuel Adams, "The Rights of the Colonists", Nov. 20, 1772
>:|>
>:|> /=======================================================/
>:|>
>:|> The truth is that:
>:|> There Was Never In The Past;
>:|> Or Is there Presently;
>:|> Nor Will There Ever Be;
>:|> A State Founded Upon Christianity,
>:|> which is not also plagued with sectarianism.
>:|> The schisms are far too numerous and broad to ever be breeched.
>:|>
>:|> Christians cannot even agree upon the same Bible,
>:|> or whether Jesus' inherited 1/2 of his DNA from mom,
>:|> or if salvation comes through faith and acts,
>:|> or instead by faith alone.
>:|>
>:|> For all three of the above differences, in the past
>:|> Christians have murderously set upon Christians.
>:|> All sides in these conflicts believed theirs alone
>:|> had been given the divine right to kill humans justly;
>:|> "Thou Shal Not Kill", notwithstanding.
>:|>
>:|> Yet from within this bedlam, this foul pit of pandemonium,
>:|> which is the actuality of their "shared" faith,
>:|> they have the audacity to claim,
>:|> they are endowed with a higher morality,
>:|> and as such, the best to lead The Nation politically.
>:|
>:|
>:|Yet you forget that one had to be Catholic to own property in Maryland. You
>:|also forgot Oglethorpe's Georgia.


The previous poster is correct.
Catholics were not welcome, were not trusted in Colonial America. That
would continue into the 1800s and beyond.
There is ample historical evidence to support that


Maryland was Catholic only for a short period of time in its history and as
for the other you mentioned:

During the twenty-one years of its proprietary government Georgia struggled
along, rather in spite of the remote designs and unpractical restrictions
of its trustees than because of their indefatigable labour, sterling
integrity, and single-minded philanthropy. As a frontier settlement against
the Catholic colonies of Spain, Georgia speedily justified its existence.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06460a.htm

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The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
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American Theocrats - Past and Present
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The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
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