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Josh Rosenbluth wrote:

>:|Jeff Strickland wrote:
>:|
>:|>
>:|> "Josh Rosenbluth" wrote in message
>:|> news:i-ednbu1_4rAKUDanZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@comcast.com...
>:|>
>:|>>>>>>>
>:|>>>>>>> Then how come it is okay to begin sessions of Congress with
>:|>>>>>>> prayer, but not city council sessions.
>:|>>>>>>
>:|>>>>>>
>:|>>>>>> Citation for the city council claim?
>:|>>>>>
>:|>>>>>
>:|>>>>> Try this ...
>:|>>>>> http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/prayer16.htm
>:|>>>>
>:|>>>>
>:|>>>> That's only speculative. The case most closely on point is Marsh.
>:|>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0463_0783_ZS.html
>:|>>>
>:|>>> That doesn't change my argument very much -- a practice that is good
>:|>>> enough for Congress to undertake is unsuitable for state or local
>:|>>> government to undertake.
>:|>>
>:|>>
>:|>> Marsh involved the Nebraska state legislature, not Congress.
>:|>>
>:|>
>:|> I understand that. Congress can and does start each session with a
>:|> prayer. Nebraska is not allowed to do the same. In other words, what is
>:|> suitable for Congress to undertake is unsuitable for state or local
>:|> gevernment to undertake.
>:|
>:|No, Nebraska is allowed to. That is what was decided in Marsh.
>:|
>:|>>> All I know is that local city councils are forced to choose between
>:|>>> an invocation at the start of sessions or attacks from the ACLU.
>:|>>> Since they can't afford the ACLU's attacks, they choose to drop the
>:|>>> invocation. The end result is the same, prayer is okay for Congress,
>:|>>> but not for any other level of government.
>:|>>
>:|>>
>:|>> Maybe for some city councils as a matter of economic practicality, but
>:|>> not as a matter of law. Moreover, I suspect there are groups willing
>:|>> to finance the city council's case.
>:|>
>:|>
>:|> When the ACLU comes to town and says, "you can't do that because of this
>:|> decision," and the city council is not able to argue the point, the
>:|> point is as good as law. There are no groups willing to finance the
>:|> cause, so prayer in the city council chambers is shut down.
>:|
>:|Firstly, repeating the same argument isn't persuasive. Secondly, in
>:|your link, the council continues to say the prayers even under ACLU
>:|pressure and there is no mention of financial problems.
>:|
>:|So, you mis-read Marsh and your own link - and are making claims not
>:|supported by the facts.
>:|
>:|Josh Rosenbluth

That is what jeffy does over and over and over *S*



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