alt.education

On Apr 6, 11:10=A0am, buckeye wrote:
> Nick...@Click.com wrote:
> >:|On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:30:57 -0400, buckeye
> >:| wrote:
> >:|
> >:|>>:|The denominations are merely interpretation of the same
> >:|>>:|scripture and veneration of the same God.
> >:|>
> >:|>Ahem, there is nothing merely about it. It is a very big deal to each =
and
> >:|>everyone of them.
> >:|
> >:|It is "mere" when the central "god" is the same
> >:|
> >:|Are you suggesting the "god" is different?
> >:|
> >:|You'll have to explain that......
>
> The only thing I need to explain is the fact that the various denomination=
s
> of Christianity has been at "war" for hunderds upon hundreds of years.
>
> That fact doesn't require much beyond a surface study of history that
> covers such to see that.
>
> Those people took their particular =A0beliefs, understandings =A0etc of th=
eir
> own religion very serioulsy and took just as serious their rejection and
> fear/hatred of other denominations, sects, etc.
>
> Your lack of knowledge/understanding of this and/or your attempts to
> minimize, downplay or outright deny this doesn't alter history in the
> least.
>
> What matter here are the actual facts, not your opinions, what might seem
> reasonable to you or what you want to believe

Jefferson was a very complex personality, and I think somewhat like
Reagan, you never really knew for certain what he was thinking. He
was opposed to personal confrontation, as is shown by having other
people do things for him so as not to "show" himself. I remember
Reagan's son saying that he could enter the room, his father stop and
have a wonderful conversation with him, but after he left, he could
not shake the feeling that his father did not have another thought
about him until he saw him again. Jefferson had that same manner,
especially in later years. Althouth John Adams commented that he
(Adams) was making speeches until he had lost his voice at the
Continental Convention, he barely heard Jefferson even in committe say
more than three sentences strung together. "But there will be a
monument for Jefferson in Washingtion, and none for me." And Adams
was right. Jefferson said or insinuated a lot of things he didn't
mean. He wrote a friend that in the last years of the Presidency that
Washington had gone down mentally and Hamilton and others were
influencing the government far to much. Word got around, Jefferson
wrote a letter to Washington saying that he had never said any such
thing. Washington responded by saying that his letter was
unnecessary, as he never believed an old friend would say any such
thing. (Meaning he knew Jefferson did say it and the game was up),
there was much more to Washingtons' letter and after Washington
retired the full letter to Jefferson's friend came out in the
newspapers. Though Jefferson tried to keep up correspondence with
Washington, after the letter appeared in public, Washingtion never
again wrote or spoke to Jefferson for the last seven years of his
life. So, what you see on the surface of Jefferson is just that, a
surface. There is much beneath it, as there usually seems to be in
genius, which no doubt Jefferson was that.
Washington was the surface, what you saw is what you got. That is
what made him first in the hearts and minds of the people back then,
not Jefferson, or any of the junior member's of the "founding band of
brothers" would publicly go against him. That was also why it was
policial suicide to speak ill of him. He never faltered, even when
things were darkest, and the politics looked unworkable. Remember the
"Constitution" could have been considered treason, as that was not
their task at the time. Jefferson started undermining Washington
during his second term. When asked in the middle of his second term
if he ever regreted serving a second term, Washington replied, "Only
once. From the second I was sworn in until today."
Ah, we were were just mind readers, it's so hard to read a politician,
except Washington's, we could all agree on what they really believed.

--
Ken Hogan