alt.education

On Apr 1, 4:03=C2=A0pm, Peter Franks wrote:
> mizlee wrote:
> > On Apr 1, 12:20=EF=BF=BDam, Peter Franks wrote:
> >> buckeye wrote:
> >>> Peter Franks wrote:
> >>>> :|buckeye wrote:
> >>>> :|> A CHALLENGE TO =EF=BF=BDANYONE
> >>>> :|>
> >>>> :|> I challenge you or anyone else to show, with valid primary souce =
historical
> >>>> :|> documentation, valid =EF=BF=BDsecondary source documentation/comm=
entary, cites etc
> >>>> :|> by respected scholars that THIS COUNTRY was ever founded as a CHR=
ISTIAN
> >>>> :|> NATION. (That perhaps most of the citizens =EF=BF=BDwho were reli=
gious were
> >>>> :|> Christian does not =EF=BF=BDqualify)
> >>>> :|>
> >>>> :|> I doubt that you or anyone else would ever accept this challeged =
because it
> >>>> :|> is a myth and therefore can''t be shown to be true.
> >>>> :|
> >>>> :|Christian, no.
> >>>> :|
> >>>> :|Deity, yes. =EF=BF=BDSource: Declaration of Independence
> >>>> :|
> >>> Diety nation? =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDLOL
> >>> Oooohhhhhhhh boy. The DOI didn't found anything.
> >>> Your "source" is a non source.
> >>> Better luck next time =EF=BF=BD
> >> Sorry, you can't just discard what you don't agree with.
>
> >> The Declaration of Independence is most definitely the founding documen=
t
> >> for this country. =EF=BF=BDAll subsequent acts, including the Constitut=
ion, are
> >> predicated on the principles espoused in the Declaration.
>
> >> My point has been made and substantiated.
>
> >> Have a nice day.
>
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> > Wrong again. =C2=A0The Declaration of Independence was an "internal memo=
"
> > to the king, essentially saying "we're sick and tired, and we're not
> > going to take it any more." =C2=A0It was NOT a document of law at all.
>
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English law was the foundation of the laws of this land. Actually the
man is right, this Constitution in the bill of rights says, "freedom
OF religion". What the founders actually meant was "freedom FROM
religion". But, as that wording would not pass of course, the first
was used. But from George Washington to Jefferson, to all the writers
of the Federalist Papers in which ONE sentence is devoted to religion
and says, "No church shall have any say in the government". That is
the only sentence you will find. Most of the founders were not going
to have preachers or priests have any say in the government. Monroe
was a true believer, as was Adams, but both agreed with the others.
As Morris actually wrote the Constitution with the bill of rights
added, he wrote a letter to Jefferson saying that as he was close to
Washington, he knew he felt the same as they did. They would not
allow religion in the government except on a personal basis. Most of
the people who had anything to do with the Constitution, and the bill
of rights felt they were doing the people a favor by excluding
religion from the government. Turns out they were right. Just as a
side note, I always felt that Jefferson in his heart was a stone
agnostic, as if a clergyman was in the room, he would leave, as I do.
Just the facts.

--
Ken Hogan
"Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
it." - Ken Hogan www.veritasnovel.com