alt.education

On Mar 5, 6:47 pm, "Larry Hewitt" wrote:

> > Uh...hello? Weren't you listening to me? The educator competency
> > portion of ACP is EXACTLY the same thing that ABCTE uses. It IS the
> > path ABCTE takes...all the time. So, if the district alternative
> > certification section is fine with you, ABCTE should be fine with
> > you. Wait...that can't be...right? You'll come up with some new
> > problem in reply, I bet.
>
> You are not the listener.
>
> The Hillsoborough ACP program _statrs_ with the ABCTE,
>
> Once hiired you mut meet with yoru sachool administrators and a mentor wh to
> work out a development programa and complete inservice trainign. Then you
> must successfully complete an number of observations and a post service
> assessment.

THAT IS COMPLETE FICTION. If you are just going to spit out words
without logic or fact, this discussion is over. I KNOW Hillsborough
county's requirements, having a personal interest in research and
having sought out all the requirements. There IS NO pre-service
training required. There is NO development training. There is no
more inservice requirement than any other teaching. YOU are quoting
the rules of the ACP program, and I told you that ABCTE satsifies half
of that (the training and lessons), including all the portion you are
referencing.

>
> This IS NIOT part of the ABCTE, and is the same thing that anyone walking in
> off of the street who has pssed the background chesck, ed check, and
> competency exams must accomplish.
>
> ABCTE is not the whole magilla.
>
>

Except that you are referencing the wrong program. You are
referencing the ACP program as a whole, while ABCTE graduates need
only complete the competency demonstration observation.

>
> >> As a corollary, I suggest that this reduction in requirements is a
> >> logical
> >> reason why existing teachers may be somewhat chagrinned at the situation,
> >> because :
>
> >> 1: THEY have completed the more rigorous training and you are getting the
> >> same rewards for less pain.
>
> > Same requirements. Same path.
>
> Bullhockey.
>
> >> 2: Your lack of training and expereince may require that they do more
> >> work
> >> because you are learning on the job.
>
> > The ACP program in Hillsborough county CANNOT begin until you are
> > hired and working in a classroom (without experience with kids) on a
> > temporary certificate. Care to retract your words?
>
> Nope. This concern is valid for almost all alternative programs.
>

So, you, now, question all alternative programs, or you hold ABCTE to
a different standard than your own?

> >> 3: Public opinion has been kinda negative towards education and the new
> >> standards were implmented to address the concerns of the public. If
> >> alternatively certified teachers fail or the public decides that the
> >> standards are being lessened too much then all teachers will suffer a
> >> loss
> >> of public esteem.
>
> > So, you condemn the district program, too?
>
> Yep. Compared. to say the South Carolina's program that I have described (a
> program similar to those of many states), it is a short cut.
>

In your program, you need not have passed the state teacher competency
exam to enter a classroom (your own confession). So, you are now
going to impune not only ABCTE and Florida but your own state?

>
>
> >> BTW, unless I misread it, ABCTE certification is inferior to Hillsborough
> >> County certification.
>
> > It's a Florida state certification, as you pointed out.
>
> No
>
> AMCTE cert is ABCTE scert, not florida cert.
>

I was referring to your word "HIllsborough County certification."
There is no such thing.

> And the
>
> > district path, as I said above, is EXACTLY the same. Indeed, the two
> > portions of the district's plan (which I considered) are ONLINE
> > coursework (similar to ABCTE), the competency observation period (the
> > same for ABCTE), and passing competency exams (JUST like ABCTE).
>
> Either I am completely missing the boat or you are blending the two
> programs.
>

Yes. You are missing the boat. No. I am not blending the programs.

> Are you asserting that the ANCTE program puts people in a classroom to
> observe you? Are you asserting that the Hillsborough pre and post classroom
> traing, planning, and assessment can alternatively be done by ABCTE
> officials>
>

I didn't claim this at all. The school does the observing. Pay more
attention.

> I think not. Their web site says nothing about it, and specifically mentions
> only the background check, degree requirement, and passing two exams as
> requriements for certification. You cannot be observeduntil yoiu getinto a
> classroom, and you cannot get into a clssroom until ABCTE certifies you.
>

Again, you show your ignorance. You can enter a classroom in Florida
WITHOUT ABCTE under a temporary certificate. ABCTE is professional
qualification, on top of that.

> The county program requires the school principal or your vice principal to
> head a committee including at least one teacher in your areas to do the
> observations.
>
> From what I read this MUST happen, no matter how one enters the ACP.
>

ABCTE DOES NOT USE ACP. I've said this repeatedly. ACP is the
district's plan. ABCTE only does the observation portion....nothing
else.

> Larry
>
> > So, I can expect you to either condemn the district's path or justify
> > ABCTE. Somehow, I guessing it won't be the latter.
>
> > Kenneth Clifton
> > christiansuperhero.com

It's amazing how absolutely your conclusion are proclaimed by someone
with so little information.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com