alt.education

Info Junkie wrote:

>:|http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=73679


Isn't it a shame that an attorney is either so stupid or such a liar and
propagandist that they would would even resort to saying the following:

"This country was founded as a Christian nation. Yes, there is religious
pluralism, but we don't need to lie about the past." Instead, says
Fitschen, Americans "need to honor ... and build on the past -- not rewrite
history." Attorney and president of the National Legal Foundation, Steven
W. Fitschen,

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The opinion:

FOR PUBLICATION
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
JESSE CARD, ü
Plaintiff-Appellant, No. 05-35996
CITY OF EVERETT;v R. AY STEPHANSON, ý CV-0D3-.C02. 3N8o5.-RSL
ionf hEivse orefftti,c iWal acsahpinacgittoyn ,as Mayor OPINION
Defendants-Appellees. þ
Appeal from the United States District Court
for the Western District of Washington
Robert S. Lasnik, District Judge, Presiding
Argued and Submitted
July 11, 2007—Seattle, Washington
Filed March 26, 2008
Before: Arthur L. Alarcón, Ferdinand F. Fernandez, and
Kim McLane Wardlaw, Circuit Judges.
Opinion by Judge Wardlaw;
Concurrence by Judge Fernandez
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/8F10A9DDA3888A9888257418004BDE5F/$file/0535996nographic.pdf?openelement


BTW IIRC Fernandez was the lone dissenting judge in the Newdow under God
case before the 9th Circuit in 2002.
I wonder if he has ever found anything unconstitutional i.e. violating the
Establishment Clause in any Establishment Clause case he has ever sat on.


A CHALLENGE TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE:

I challenge you or anyone else to show, with valid primary souce historical
documentation, valid secondary source documentation/commentary, cites etc
by respected scholars that THIS COUNTRY was ever founded as a CHRISTIAN
NATION. (That perhaps most of the citizens who were religious were
Christian does not qualify)


I doubt that you or anyone else would ever accept this challeged because it
is a myth and therefore can''t be shown to be true.

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You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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