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TRUECRISTIAN wrote:

>:|Godless Americans: Sit Down and Shut Up
>:|
>:|It is time for the 14% of Godless Americans to stop forcing the rest
>:|of the nation who honor him to acquiesce to their will.

You forgot to provide any evidence that those "14%" are behind it. Last I
looked most court cases, state and federal that have been brought in the
area of church state have been brought by religious people.
Fancy that.


>:|It is clear
>:|that our national motto is "In God We Trust."

That happned recently. Originally it was quite different Originally it
was 'E pluribus unum' meaning Out of many, one. Wow, how about that,
Uniting instead of dividing. That shows the founder were smartet than
current politicians.

>:|God has a place in our
>:|constituition.


Really? Wow fancy that, However, if that were true why didn't the framers
of that document put it in there?

This will be a series of articles
AMERICAN THEOCRATS - PAST AND PRESENT
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

for our web site

THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

identifying American Theocrats from approx 1776 to the present. It will
consist primarliy of their own comments visa various forms of primary and
secondary source documentations.

The first section which will be posted here is a series comes from one
source: CHRISTIAN STATESMAN TRACT # 7. [This tract was originally prepared
for the National Convention which met in Pittsburgh, Feb. 4. 1874. ]


[EXCERPT]
PART I


AMERICAN THEOCRATS - PAST AND PRESENT

Christian Statesman Tract --No. 7

TESTIMONIES

TO

THE RELIGIOUS DEFECT

OF THE

CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

BY THE REV. D. M'ALLISTER.
[David McAllister (1835-1907) D.D., LL.D., was one of the founding editors
of The Christian Statesman and served at one time as general secretary of
the National Reform Association. He was vice president of Geneva College,
and the pastor of the Pittsburgh Reformed Presbyterian Church.
http://www.natreformassn.org/mcallisterToC.html ]

The religious defect of our National Constitution, otherwise so
admirable an instrument, is now arresting general attention. On the one
hand, the enemies of our Christian institutions of government glory in the
fact that the Constitution of the United States contains no acknowledgment
of God or the Christian religion; and, on the other hand, Christian
citizens, however reluctantly, are constrained to admit the fact.

This defect, of late coming so prominently into public view, has
never passed altogether unnoticed. From the formation of the Constitution
until the present organized effort to secure its religious amendment, there
has been an unbroken chain of testimony to its great defect. To many who
have but recently learned with surprise, that our Constitution contains no
acknowledgment of God or Christianity, this mass of testimony from some of
the ablest thinkers and most patriotic citizens of our country, has been
utterly unknown. It may prove interesting and important to gather this
array of testimony, scattered through many documents, some of which are
accessible to but few, into one complete summary, as a part of the
literature of the movement to secure the Religious Amendment to the
Constitution of the United States.
[END EXCERPT]


You can read the rest of it on thar above names web site

>:]God is written on The Declaration of Independence

and the legal status of that particular document was/is?

>:|and
>:|the Bill of Rights.


Sorry not found there. What is found there is a further reinforcement of
church state separation which was embodied in the unamended constitution.


>:|God is on our money,

not originally. Somethign politicans did much later

>:|and the Founding Fathers
>:|clearly did not indend we would remove all reference to God.

Ifclearly is really true it would not require you to use the word clearly.
Everyone would already know that and agree. All the millions opf words that
have been written on the topic, in articles, books, speeches, court cases,
etc shows that if far from being true


>:|They
>:|wrote "Freedom of Relegion" not "Freedom from Relegion."

You cannpt have freedom of without freedom from They are two sides of the
same coun. Freedom isn't freedom if you only have the right to do but not
the right not to do.

>:|Therefore, I
>:|say to the 14% of Godless loosers who seriously need to get a life:
>:|SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP! That order is extended to the communist front
>:|group ACLU too!


Your credibility was shot all to hell above so waht you say is totally
meaningless.

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You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
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It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

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